Did I miss something????

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 04:34 PM

Hello everyone,

I was just thinking... after my cycle I start PCT to get my HPTA back to normal. The faster this happens the less risk I have of losing my gains... Correct?

Test E and C standard PCT starts two weeks after last injection, The test releases slowly from the injection site for 2 weeks. This means the day I start PCT my natural production of test is suppressed, my synthetic testosterone has run completly out, Why do you wait till this time to start recovery??? Why wouldn't you start your natural recovery with clom and nolva lets say a week after your last injection so at no time does your body have an abnormally low test count, which leads to muscle loss. This is just commen sense. If I am missing an important piece of info please tell. If I am an idiot for thinking this let the roasting began!

I think I am going to start an early pct, well earlier than recommended.

**Matt** · 06-01-2009, 04:37 PM

Because your natty test is still being suppressed after only one week, and its 18 days for test c...

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 04:44 PM

OK, that still doesn't answer. I understand my natural test is suppressed. It is suppressed after the 18 days too, that from being on cycle for 14 weeks. My question is why wouldn't you start to restore your natural hpta before your synthetic test is completly absent?

Why would you let your test level reach such severe low before trying to get it back up with pct drugs? If they can start your natural test recovery coming off a cycle they can start it before your synthetic is out of you.

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:01 PM

So everybody is so quick to give advice about when to start pct. But nobody knows why? Hmmm... bump for some info.

**CHAP** · 06-01-2009, 06:07 PM

Look if your last shot is on the 1st of the month.you do not want to start a pct on the
2nd.Why because test c is going to still be released into your system for awhile. This testc that is releasing for an exteneded omout of time is still supressing your natty test. And your natty test cannot start up again until the synthetic test is out of your system .

UNDERSTAND NOW?????

**Big** · 06-01-2009, 06:08 PM

because you can not re-start your natural test production in the presence of sufficiently suppressive compounds.

**Big** · 06-01-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by kdizzog

So everybody is so quick to give advice about when to start pct. But nobody knows why? Hmmm... bump for some info.

you wait an hour and a half then assume no one here knows the answer? sorry I stopped for dinner, but this is already explained in several places on the board.

**bjpennnn** · 06-01-2009, 06:14 PM

sorry to jack but its kinda the same line

i am going to be running
test prop WK 1-10
mast WK 1-10
Winni 5-10

if my last shot is say on a monday i can start pct on wensday correct?

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by CHAP

Look if your last shot is on the 1st of the month.you do not want to start a pct on the
2nd.Why because test c is going to still be released into your system for awhile. This testc that is releasing for an exteneded omout of time is still supressing your natty test. And your natty test cannot start up again until the synthetic test is out of your system .

UNDERSTAND NOW?????

Hey take it easy chap, so you can not turn on your natural production if your last injection a week prior is slowly releasing the last bit of synthetic in your body? So taking Nolva and Clomid while sythetic test is in your body would make the drugs not work? I guess I don't understand. Logically thinking it would be best to have your balls already producing naturally before the synthetic leaves.

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Big

because you can not re-start your natural test production in the presence of sufficiently suppressive compounds.

But why not? If the pct drugs work, why would this be a negative?

**bjpennnn** · 06-01-2009, 06:20 PM

lol he is saying that you still have juice in your body so its like your still on cycle you have to wait till its all gone

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Big

you wait an hour and a half then assume no one here knows the answer? sorry I stopped for dinner, but this is already explained in several places on the board.

Big, I wasn't directing this to you?? Usualy I get my question answered very quick.. Also I bet EVERY question and post have been covered on the board before at sometime or another. You could answer every post by saying that. What I'm looking for is an answer. Not "because you can't"... And I wish you guys would lighten up a little, for god sake I'm asking a question. SOme of you guys get so angry over a legit question. I'm digging for knowledge hear. Not a asshole. If you don't like my question, or your to stupid to answer read another thread.

PS this was not directed to you big.

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

lol he is saying that you still have juice in your body so its like your still on cycle you have to wait till its all gone

I understand that, my question is why do you have to wait? Why not get an early start on recovery?

**Big** · 06-01-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by kdizzog

But why not? If the pct drugs work, why would this be a negative?

Originally Posted by kdizzog

I understand that, my question is why do you have to wait? Why not get an early start on recovery?

it would simply be a waste of pct compounds, because the body will not start producing it's own test while the injectable test is still present. why? because it won't.

**Navy-boi-kai** · 06-01-2009, 06:37 PM

Ok i believe and this was explained to me by a nurse that i know. He says its like this. Ok even 100 mgs of a substance is enough to make ur body shutdown. So say you injected 1000 last shot. Ok you have to total in the half life. Also like this is take almost a month before the levels are all stable so why would it leave in a week. its still there in your bloodstream. Its has to leave the body before you can start. If you put anything in your body synthetic its not goign to start until it leaves. PCT is done that ways for a reason. Look at anything medical test e takes about 2 weeks to leave the system. There is even studies that 100 mgs of deca can shut you down for a about a month.

Say you cycled 12 weeks. Ok your body hasnt produced anything natural all this time. Its not just going to wake up as soon as ur done and start. It takes time.

**ftony** · 06-01-2009, 06:42 PM

I like running prop along with clomid and tamox the 2 weeks the long ester are clearing..I have done this a few times and found it works for me...The Prop keeps your test up..The longer esters clear,and well the little bit of clomid and tamox they say is a waste I actually think its good because "let it build up"....drop Prop and pct meds are at full steam,makes sense to me....I also use 250 iu ed of hcg throughout my cycle so my testes are primed and ready,I'm just commenting on your question.this is what I learned from my experience...others will differ..

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Big

it would simply be a waste of pct compounds, because the body will not start producing it's own test while the injectable test is still present. why? because it won't.

It won't work? But WHY??? So it only will if there is absolutly no test in your body at all? I had the understanding that these PCT drugs would work to do what they do, which is block estrogen from certain receptors, and in males to "increase" the HPTA fuction would work even if there was test, natural or synthetic. Or none at all?

Nevermind... I'm not trying to argue with anybody. I just wanted to know WHY it won't work. I'll be the guinipig I Guess I'm starting my pct 10 days after my last injection. I'll bump this thread and let everyone know how it went, if anyone cares! LOL

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Navy-boi-kai

Ok i believe and this was explained to me by a nurse that i know. He says its like this. Ok even 100 mgs of a substance is enough to make ur body shutdown. So say you injected 1000 last shot. Ok you have to total in the half life. Also like this is take almost a month before the levels are all stable so why would it leave in a week. its still there in your bloodstream. Its has to leave the body before you can start. If you put anything in your body synthetic its not goign to start until it leaves. PCT is done that ways for a reason. Look at anything medical test e takes about 2 weeks to leave the system. There is even studies that 100 mgs of deca can shut you down for a about a month.

Say you cycled 12 weeks. Ok your body hasnt produced anything natural all this time. Its not just going to wake up as soon as ur done and start. It takes time.

Thanks! for the answer, and with out getting upset with me.

**(1*)** · 06-01-2009, 07:02 PM

you will be wasting your pct supplies. you might as well as be taking placebo pills. IT WILL NOT START YOUR NATTY UP UNTIL THE SYNTHETIC IS GONE no matter how much pct you take. the reason why is because your body will not let it's self make test over a certain point. it doesn't matter how much of what you take.
pct doesn't take a "load" time.
this all means that you need to wait until the synthetic is gone or else you waste money and don't have a complete pct cycle. you can guinea pig it if you want to but you will not ever know the results unless you take daily blood samples to the lab.
good luck.

**kdizzog** · 06-01-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by (1*)

you will be wasting your pct supplies. you might as well as be taking placebo pills. IT WILL NOT START YOUR NATTY UP UNTIL THE SYNTHETIC IS GONE no matter how much pct you take. the reason why is because your body will not let it's self make test over a certain point. it doesn't matter how much of what you take.
pct doesn't take a "load" time.
this all means that you need to wait until the synthetic is gone or else you waste money and don't have a complete pct cycle. you can guinea pig it if you want to but you will not ever know the results unless you take daily blood samples to the lab.
good luck.

Thanks for the reply, I have logged my results in the past, I will just compare it to them, if nothing better, I guess I just wasted some PCT.I am still going to run it an extra week, 6 instead of 5 just in the case that your right, which I am sure you are. Oh well.

**ninesecz** · 06-01-2009, 07:20 PM

you need to have the synthetic test almost completely out of your system before you kick start your natty test or you might screw up the natural levels your body wants to produce

**Navy-boi-kai** · 06-01-2009, 09:17 PM

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