On the fence

[snori]

Been doing some research and iam thinking about doing a cycl. I have a friend who can and recomends starting on test e only to start. He also said that taking some anti estrogen is not needed and that he doenst take any and has no problems at all with side effects.Now i have been lifting for a little over 10 years now and iam now considering starting a cycl for the first time at the age of 30. I realy dont want to lose what i already have, how much would just doing one cycl do for me and would it be worth it. Iam currently around 225 pounds and in decent shape,and eat regulry and supplement with protein only. I would relay like to gain about 20-30 pounds but how much gain could i expect to get form taking one cycl if i dont plan on reguly staying on anabolics. I realy dont want to lose what i already have and am concerned about not keeping what i gain after i am on and coming off. Anyone had the delema and can give me some personal input on what made the decided to try it.Thanks for you time.

[Ernst]

age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?
pct knowledge?

[snori]

age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?
pct knowledge?

age 30
height 6'1
weight 220-225
body fat not sure
pct very little still learning

[johnnybigguns]

How long have you been training?
Can you see your abs at all?

[snori]

How long have you been training?
Can you see your abs at all?

Well my abdomen is one of my problem areas. i would say from looking at some of the other peoples pics iam probly between 16-20 percent i guess i can kinda see my abs but there is no sepertaing of the muscles. I have never honestly even thought much about body fat sence the last couple of years it just seems like iam trying to keep what i have.Dont kn ow if that helps with your question.

[johnnybigguns]

I would get that diet in check good first.
Can you post a pic?

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

IMHO, once you go on the sauce, it wont be a one-time thing .... I've said "this is my last cycle" for the last 4 cycles!

heck, you're 30 and passionate about lifting (10 yrs of dedicated training would count)... assuming you're eating right and have done all the necessary research about cycling and PCT, I'd say have at it!!!

For all the blood and sweat you've put into it, you deserve to walk around with canon ball delts and a 6 pack!

Also, at your age and muscle maturity, I'm confident in saying that you'll end up keeping what you already have, if not more ... believe it or not, people who use gear regularly (and responsibly) can increase their baseline LBM ... there's a science behind all that, do a search if you want to find out more.... and you should!

[snori]

here are some pics i took. I just got my gear and its test e. I am not starting until i get my order of nova/clomid from aar. Iam wondering if i should get some L-dex for an aI. Any imput would be greatly apprecited.I have looked at all the newb readings but still have questions. here are the pics what BF% iam i at 15-20? thanks.

pics as of now.

[history in the makin]

get on the dark side of the fence bro you will love it !!!!!!!!!!!!

[snori]

yeah iam just trying to get all this understood before i start. Just wondering how gyno prone ill be and if i should get L-dex basied on my bf?Everything else i think i have understood.gonna post up my cycle plan here in a miunte and try to get some feed back.

[snori]

trying to come up with a good cycl. i have one vial of test e and it 250mg/cc. i wanted to take a 8 week cycl would 5 weeks at 250/week and 2 weeks in the middlw at 500mg not be worth it or should i get another bottle and do 500mg the whole cycl?

[ninesecz]

you will want to run the test e for at least 10 weeks. (12 is more beneficial) the reason is that with the long esther you need to give it at least 4-6 weeks before you start seeing good results. I would say for your 1st cycle go 350-400mg Ew shot every 3.5 days (1/2 weekly dosage in each shot) do not pyramid in the middle keep the same dosage all the way through
Start your PCt 14 days after last injection
Nolva and Clomid for 4 weeks 100/50/50/25

[powerlifter18]

if ur diet is in check go for it bro its ur choice look at a sample cycle on the steroid.com main page

[sigman roid]

you will want to run the test e for at least 10 weeks. (12 is more beneficial) the reason is that with the long esther you need to give it at least 4-6 weeks before you start seeing good results. I would say for your 1st cycle go 350-400mg Ew shot every 3.5 days (1/2 weekly dosage in each shot) do not pyramid in the middle keep the same dosage all the way through
Start your PCt 14 days after last injection
Nolva and Clomid for 4 weeks 100/50/50/25

why would you take 100mg nolva?
pct will be
nolva40/20/20/20
clomid100/50/50/50

[snori]

so L-dex would be a defent thing to have in hand?

[AllPumpedUp]

Everyone is different! Remember that! Just cause your friend does not get side effect, does not mean you will not! Dont take it for granted have what you need handy just in case. better safe than sorry!

[diesel405]

Pumped is right bro, everyones different. I think you should jump aboard. With the right pct you wont lose much of your gains, (which for a first timer can be alot) You will def improve. Believe me, i have a few years on ya.....

[diesel405]

oh, and keep researching this site. It has everything you need to no and more..

[snori]

Thanks for the input.Ive done quite a bit of reading and the only thing that really concerns me is the whole gyno thing.How conserned about gyno should i bee for a first cycle. I know everyone is different but form all the experiance on the board how many people have got gyno signs from the first cycle. I know if you get signs of it at the begging that it can be taking care of but once you treat it while on cycle doent your whole cycle go to shit.And my last question on coming off even if you have a good pct like nova and clomid what is the recovery feeling shity the whole time till you start producing nat test one your own or is it a smooth process for most?Sorry for all the questions but I like to hear from other people experiance even though it will be different from my own.