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  1. 06-02-2009, 07:07 PM #1
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    My First Cycle - Your Suggestions

    I am new here to the forums and I have found a wealth of useful information while trolling around. Its time for me to start my first cycle so I want to make sure I have designed it correctly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    If I have made any horrific mistakes please be blunt! I don't want to jack myself up...

    (Week 1-10) Test E 400mgs/week (Week 11) Test E 200mgs (Week 12) Test E 100mgs
    (Week 1-5) Dbol 20mgs/day
    (Week 3- 13) HCG 250IU/4days
    (Week 14-16) Clomid (Day 1) 200mgs (Days 2-12) 100mgs/day (Days 13-22) 50mgs/day

    If needed I have Nolvadex on hand to suppress any undesired side effects w/ 10mgs/day
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    Welcome to AR

    how about giving us you stats so we can help

    age
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    diet
    yrs training
    goals for this
    PCT knowledge

    No need to pyramid dose week 11 and so on, just go with ONE dose the whole way through
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  3. 06-02-2009, 07:10 PM #3
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    Welcome.
    don't taper the test at the end, and wait 2 weeks after last test shot before pct begins, not one week as you have listed. clomid and nolva for pct.

    but I digress....
    age?
    height?
    weight?
    body fat%?
    years training?
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  4. 06-02-2009, 07:27 PM #4
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    I guess I jumped the gun...

    Age- 21
    Height- 6 feet
    Weight- 180
    Body Fat%- 17%
    Years Training- Not seriously past 3 years, religiously for the past 6 months
    Diet- High protein, Clean Carbs, Veggies... Staying away from McDeath
    Goals- I really dont know what to exspect, if I could get 15-20 lbs I would be very pleased.
    PCT Knowledge- Just what I have read here and a few other forums. I don't have anyone who can answer my questions personally.
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    looks like that diet needs some work.
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    ^^^ all yours Big, I need a break .....lolol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    don't taper the test at the end, and wait 2 weeks after last test shot before pct begins, not one week as you have listed. clomid and nolva for pct.
    I had read previously in another thread that it should be tapered the final two weeks. I am just curious as to advantage of cutting it all out at once.

    Thanks for the advice Big
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    A bit young and diet needs tweaking...

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742
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    Quote Originally Posted by rummyjoe;466***7
    I had read previously in another thread that it should be tapered the final two weeks. I am just curious as to advantage of cutting it all out at once.

    Thanks for the advice Big
    I explained this all yesterday (hell I seem to explain it almost every day) let me look for the thread...
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    i say d-bol 4-8 instead of 1-4 use the d-bol strength gains when the test kicks in not before
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    Quote Originally Posted by A2thej2008 View Post
    i say d-bol 4-8 instead of 1-4 use the d-bol strength gains when the test kicks in not before
    smart man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rummyjoe;466***7
    I had read previously in another thread that it should be tapered the final two weeks. I am just curious as to advantage of cutting it all out at once.

    Thanks for the advice Big
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=389395
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    Quote Originally Posted by A2thej2008 View Post
    i say d-bol 4-8 instead of 1-4 use the d-bol strength gains when the test kicks in not before
    I got the Dbol 1-4 from the beginners cycle on the main site. It was said to be a good way to jump start the cycle. Is this wrong?
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    Thanks for the link Big... that makes complete sense. I wont taper the Test at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rummyjoe View Post
    I got the Dbol 1-4 from the beginners cycle on the main site. It was said to be a good way to jump start the cycle. Is this wrong?
    kick-starting with an oral isn't "wrong"...it's just another option.

    actually, it's kinda counter-intuitive when you think about it.

    why not introduce the oral for strength gains when you're completely anabolic state?
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    I see your point in that derek7m
    Maybe on my second cycle I will try that out, but for this first run I want to go a little easier. Just "getting my feet wet" this time around.
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    So for (weeks 15-17 PCT) Nolva 20mgs/day along with the Clomid?
    Last edited by rummyjoe; 06-02-2009 at 08:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rummyjoe View Post
    so for (weeks 15-17 pct) nolva 20mgs/day along with the clomid?
    40/40/20/20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    40/40/20/20
    ....I may have been dropped on my head as a child... you are going to need to explain what that means. Are you saying a 4 week PCT with 40mgs/day the first 2 weeks and 20mgs/day the second two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rummyjoe View Post
    ....I may have been dropped on my head as a child... you are going to need to explain what that means. Are you saying a 4 week PCT with 40mgs/day the first 2 weeks and 20mgs/day the second two?
    yes, that is correct.
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    weeks 15-18 by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rummyjoe View Post
    I guess I jumped the gun...

    Age- 21
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    Years Training- Not seriously past 3 years, religiously for the past 6 months
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    PCT Knowledge- Just what I have read here and a few other forums. I don't have anyone who can answer my questions personally.
    If I could go back in time knowing what I know now I wouldn't have touched AAS until I was at least in my late 20s. Of course back then there weren't these boards and there wasn't the wealth of knowledge and experience we have today. Shit, there wasn't even an Internet back then. Where am I going with this?

    Well, blood levels of many different hormones peak during our teens and 20s, then decline throughout the rest of our life. Hormone deficiencies occur later in life, which contributes to male menopause. That's why there's TRT/HRT for men.

    By using AAS in your early 20s all you're doing is accelerating that process. Instead of male menopause beginning between ages 40 and 55 you're setting the stage for it to occur in your 30s. Why? Unless your aspirations are to be a Pro BBer or compete professionally in the sport why mess with your hormone levels when you're natural testosterone levels are near their peak?
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    just make sure if you are going to hit the sauce at 21 you have already done everything you can do to make gains naturally!! IE Diet and good supplements including creatine. Just cleaning up your diet and getting the right ratio of fats to carbs to protein will amaze you in how much your body will respond!
    what everyone is sayinfg to you is basically if you have not gotten ll of your natural gains before using AAS it will make it that much harder to get gains without the AAS down the road
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juice Authority View Post
    If I could go back in time knowing what I know now I wouldn't have touched AAS until I was at least in my late 20s...
    I wish all our younger members would grasp this.
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    yea but dudes, hes been training religiously for 6 whole months! thats like half a year or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darksyde View Post
    yea but dudes, hes been training religiously for 6 whole months! thats like half a year or something.
    Funny... How about you give me some useful info instead of pointing out that I am inexperienced, I already know that I am new to the game.
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    Taking into account all of the feedback I have gotten so far, here is the revised cycle:

    (Week 1-12) Test E 400mgs/week
    (Week 1-5) Dbol 20mgs/day
    (Week 4-13) HCG 250IU/e4days
    (Week 15-16) Nolva 40mgs/day
    (Week 17-18) Nolva 20mgs/day
    (Week 15-18) Clomid (Week 1) 150mgs/day (Week 2) 100mgs/day (Week 3-4) 50mgs/day
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    So how does everyone feel about the cycle now?
    Thanks for all the help yesterday Big
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    GTG,, only change dbol 1-4wk at 30 or 40mgs
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    Ill assume that the silence means the cycle looks good to go...
    Thanks chuckt12345
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    GTG,, only change dbol 1-4wk at 30 or 40mgs
    agreed^
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