My First Cycle - Your Suggestions

[rummyjoe]

I am new here to the forums and I have found a wealth of useful information while trolling around. Its time for me to start my first cycle so I want to make sure I have designed it correctly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

If I have made any horrific mistakes please be blunt! I don't want to jack myself up...

(Week 1-10) Test E 400mgs/week (Week 11) Test E 200mgs (Week 12) Test E 100mgs
(Week 1-5) Dbol 20mgs/day
(Week 3- 13) HCG 250IU/4days
(Week 14-16) Clomid (Day 1) 200mgs (Days 2-12) 100mgs/day (Days 13-22) 50mgs/day

If needed I have Nolvadex on hand to suppress any undesired side effects w/ 10mgs/day

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

how about giving us you stats so we can help

age
height
weight
bodyfat%
diet
yrs training
goals for this
PCT knowledge

No need to pyramid dose week 11 and so on, just go with ONE dose the whole way through

[Big]

Welcome.
don't taper the test at the end, and wait 2 weeks after last test shot before pct begins, not one week as you have listed. clomid and nolva for pct.

but I digress....
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?

[rummyjoe]

I guess I jumped the gun...

Age- 21
Height- 6 feet
Weight- 180
Body Fat%- 17%
Years Training- Not seriously past 3 years, religiously for the past 6 months
Diet- High protein, Clean Carbs, Veggies... Staying away from McDeath
Goals- I really dont know what to exspect, if I could get 15-20 lbs I would be very pleased.
PCT Knowledge- Just what I have read here and a few other forums. I don't have anyone who can answer my questions personally.

[Big]

looks like that diet needs some work.

[T-MOS]

^^^ all yours Big, I need a break .....lolol

[rummyjoe]

don't taper the test at the end, and wait 2 weeks after last test shot before pct begins, not one week as you have listed. clomid and nolva for pct.

I had read previously in another thread that it should be tapered the final two weeks. I am just curious as to advantage of cutting it all out at once.

Thanks for the advice Big

[jbm]

A bit young and diet needs tweaking...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[Big]

I had read previously in another thread that it should be tapered the final two weeks. I am just curious as to advantage of cutting it all out at once.

Thanks for the advice Big

I explained this all yesterday (hell I seem to explain it almost every day) let me look for the thread...

[Deltasaurus]

i say d-bol 4-8 instead of 1-4 use the d-bol strength gains when the test kicks in not before

[D7M]

i say d-bol 4-8 instead of 1-4 use the d-bol strength gains when the test kicks in not before

smart man!

[Big]

I had read previously in another thread that it should be tapered the final two weeks. I am just curious as to advantage of cutting it all out at once.

Thanks for the advice Big

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=389395

[rummyjoe]

i say d-bol 4-8 instead of 1-4 use the d-bol strength gains when the test kicks in not before

I got the Dbol 1-4 from the beginners cycle on the main site. It was said to be a good way to jump start the cycle. Is this wrong?

[rummyjoe]

Thanks for the link Big... that makes complete sense. I wont taper the Test at the end.

[D7M]

I got the Dbol 1-4 from the beginners cycle on the main site. It was said to be a good way to jump start the cycle. Is this wrong?

kick-starting with an oral isn't "wrong"...it's just another option.

actually, it's kinda counter-intuitive when you think about it.

why not introduce the oral for strength gains when you're completely anabolic state?

[rummyjoe]

I see your point in that derek7m
Maybe on my second cycle I will try that out, but for this first run I want to go a little easier. Just "getting my feet wet" this time around.

[rummyjoe]

So for (weeks 15-17 PCT) Nolva 20mgs/day along with the Clomid?

[Big]

so for (weeks 15-17 pct) nolva 20mgs/day along with the clomid?

40/40/20/20

[rummyjoe]

40/40/20/20

....I may have been dropped on my head as a child... you are going to need to explain what that means. Are you saying a 4 week PCT with 40mgs/day the first 2 weeks and 20mgs/day the second two?

[Big]

....I may have been dropped on my head as a child... you are going to need to explain what that means. Are you saying a 4 week PCT with 40mgs/day the first 2 weeks and 20mgs/day the second two?

yes, that is correct.

[Big]

weeks 15-18 by the way.

[Juice Authority]

I guess I jumped the gun...

Age- 21
Height- 6 feet
Weight- 180
Body Fat%- 17%
Years Training- Not seriously past 3 years, religiously for the past 6 months
Diet- High protein, Clean Carbs, Veggies... Staying away from McDeath
Goals- I really dont know what to exspect, if I could get 15-20 lbs I would be very pleased.
PCT Knowledge- Just what I have read here and a few other forums. I don't have anyone who can answer my questions personally.

If I could go back in time knowing what I know now I wouldn't have touched AAS until I was at least in my late 20s. Of course back then there weren't these boards and there wasn't the wealth of knowledge and experience we have today. Shit, there wasn't even an Internet back then. Where am I going with this?

Well, blood levels of many different hormones peak during our teens and 20s, then decline throughout the rest of our life. Hormone deficiencies occur later in life, which contributes to male menopause. That's why there's TRT/HRT for men.

By using AAS in your early 20s all you're doing is accelerating that process. Instead of male menopause beginning between ages 40 and 55 you're setting the stage for it to occur in your 30s. Why? Unless your aspirations are to be a Pro BBer or compete professionally in the sport why mess with your hormone levels when you're natural testosterone levels are near their peak?

[ninesecz]

just make sure if you are going to hit the sauce at 21 you have already done everything you can do to make gains naturally!! IE Diet and good supplements including creatine. Just cleaning up your diet and getting the right ratio of fats to carbs to protein will amaze you in how much your body will respond!
what everyone is sayinfg to you is basically if you have not gotten ll of your natural gains before using AAS it will make it that much harder to get gains without the AAS down the road

[Big]

If I could go back in time knowing what I know now I wouldn't have touched AAS until I was at least in my late 20s...

I wish all our younger members would grasp this.

[Darksyde]

yea but dudes, hes been training religiously for 6 whole months! thats like half a year or something.

[sigman roid]

hahaha^^^^

[rummyjoe]

yea but dudes, hes been training religiously for 6 whole months! thats like half a year or something.

Funny... How about you give me some useful info instead of pointing out that I am inexperienced, I already know that I am new to the game.

[rummyjoe]

Taking into account all of the feedback I have gotten so far, here is the revised cycle:

(Week 1-12) Test E 400mgs/week
(Week 1-5) Dbol 20mgs/day
(Week 4-13) HCG 250IU/e4days
(Week 15-16) Nolva 40mgs/day
(Week 17-18) Nolva 20mgs/day
(Week 15-18) Clomid (Week 1) 150mgs/day (Week 2) 100mgs/day (Week 3-4) 50mgs/day

[rummyjoe]

So how does everyone feel about the cycle now?
Thanks for all the help yesterday Big

[chuckt12345]

GTG,, only change dbol 1-4wk at 30 or 40mgs

[rummyjoe]

Ill assume that the silence means the cycle looks good to go...
Thanks chuckt12345

[Big]

GTG,, only change dbol 1-4wk at 30 or 40mgs

agreed^