How many mg of Deca with 500mg Test E? (and how many weeks early do you stop?)

[fitfreak6]

Say I was going to run 500mg of Test E for 11 weeks, how many mg of Deca would be appropriate and at what week would you stop using it? Also, do you need to taper off deca or test or can you run the same mg dosage the whole cycle.

Thanks!

[TractionIssues]

what are you stats

age
height
weight
diet
years training
goals
pct knowledge

once people know more about you they can help you out easier.

[T-MOS]

depends on your stats and cycle history

Deca should be stopped at least one but preferably two weeks prior to test

[*RAGE*]

I would do 400mg plus and stop at least one week before your last test shot, I always do two weeks but that is just me......and yes you can run the same amount and even more if you want....

[Juice Authority]

I like to maintain around a 2:1 ratio of Test to Deca. If I'm running a 12 week cycle I'll drop Deca at week 10 (Deca takes around 4 weeks + to clear). I never exceed 450mgs/wk of Deca. Anything above that gives me unwanted progesterone related sides.

[TractionIssues]

I like to maintain around a 2:1 ratio of Test to Deca. If I'm running a 12 week cycle I'll drop Deca at week 10 (Deca takes around 4 weeks + to clear). I never exceed 450mgs/wk of Deca. Anything above that gives me unwanted progesterone related sides.

So your saying if he does 500mg/week of Test he should only do 250mg of Deca? Deca is much more effective at about 400mg/week, and he really has no need to go over 500mg of Test...

[T-MOS]

I like to maintain around a 2:1 ratio of Test to Deca. If I'm running a 12 week cycle I'll drop Deca at week 10 (Deca takes around 4 weeks + to clear). I never exceed 450mgs/wk of Deca. Anything above that gives me unwanted progesterone related sides.

What is your reasoning for the 2 to 1 ratio? Or is it just your personal preference to what works best for you??

so that would mean you do 900 mgs of test and 450 mgs/ deca??

[TractionIssues]

Also wanted to know dville gt why you wanted to do an 11 week cycle? Because normal cycles are around 12-14, I just wanted to know why you said specifically 11.

[Big]

for bulking purposes I would not run less than 400mg/week deca and would not run it for less than 10 weeks. provided at least a trt dose of test is present, there is no need for a "deca to test" ratio. I've had great cycles with 600mg/week deca and 250mg/week test.

[Juice Authority]

What is your reasoning for the 2 to 1 ratio? Or is it just your personal preference to what works best for you??

so that would mean you do 900 mgs of test and 450 mgs/ deca??

Simple reasoning. Deca shuts down my HPTA harder than Test. The longer I run Deca the longer it take me to recover. I never exceed 450mgs/wk which means I never run 1gm or more of Test...always under 1gm, usually 750mgs, which puts my typical Deca dose around 400mgs/wk.

[fitfreak6]

well, i said 11 weeks because there 22cc of test and 22cc of deca and both are 250mg/ml. so that gives 5500 total mg which would yeild 11 weeks @ 250mg. so 400mg deca 500mg test per week, split into two injects, so .8cc deca and 1cc of test? also, if i am going to mix in some cottonseed oil to help ease the inject, how many cc's would be good assuming i am inject 1.8cc's of gear? i have 3cc syringes so it cant be more than that! any other tips on how to make the inject less painful, i have heard this gear hurts. lastly, i am 25, 10% or so b/f, 205lbs, 5'11.

[Juice Authority]

I've had great cycles with 600mg/week deca and 250mg/week test.

That cycle would not only give me limp dick but my recovery would take 3x longer. The combined estrogenic/progestagenic properties of Deca is quite suppressive to natty test but I'm sure you knew that.

[*RAGE*]

Simple reasoning. Deca shuts down my HPTA harder than Test. The longer I run Deca the longer it take me to recover. I never exceed 450mgs/wk which means I never run 1gm or more of Test...always under 1gm, usually 750mgs, which puts my typical Deca dose around 400mgs/wk.

read above bro you can run 250mg of test and be fine with running 400mg of deca it will not shut down you injected test..

[Big]

That cycle would not only give me limp dick but my recovery would take 3x longer. The combined estrogenic/progestagenic properties of Deca is quite suppressive to natty test but I'm sure you knew that.

what would suppressing natty test have to do with the test that you inject? how would you have limp dick with 250mg/week test present?

[Reed]

Um shut down is shut down. Its the metabolites that linger in ones body post cycle that cause recovery to be difficult.

[Juice Authority]

what would suppressing natty test have to do with the test that you inject? how would you have limp dick with 250mg/week test present?

I said that's what would happen to me. 250mgs/Test is simply not enough to counteract the libido killing effects of 600mgs/Deca. I have found (again, personal experience) that maintaining a 2:1 ratio of Test to Deca works best for me. You may not have the same effect but you might also be able to run Tren at 700mgs/wk and sleep like a baby for all I know.

[Juice Authority]

read above bro you can run 250mg of test and be fine with running 400mg of deca it will not shut down you injected test..

Can someone share their own personal experience around here without being lectured or schooled in cycling theory or is that even possible?

[Big]

you might also be able to run Tren at 700mgs/wk and sleep like a baby for all I know.

yep

[*RAGE*]

Can someone share their own personal experience around here without being lectured or schooled in cycling theory or is that even possible?

bro, you have already got one thread lock just step away, this is not your thread and you made your point, POINT NOTED..... bye

[Juice Authority]

yep

Well, being that Tren and Deca are both progestins that would certainly explain a lot. You obviously don't get the same progestagenic sides that I do, which is why you might not have a problem running Deca at a higher dose than Test.

[Juice Authority]

bro, you have already got one thread lock just step away, this is not your thread and you made your point, POINT NOTED..... bye

Another nonsensical post.

[Big]

everyone is indeed different. not to further hijack the thread, but on an interesting side note if I run much past 400mg/week of tren a the sides are quite bad, but I've ran well over double that with tren e with great results and minimal sides. in any event let's let this thread get back on track.

[*RAGE*]

OP, look at the advice given and not the personal experience of one and you will do fine...

[fitfreak6]

so does 400mg deca, 500mg test e per week injected at the same time twice a week while dropping the deca off 2 weeks early sound okay?

[TractionIssues]

I said that's what would happen to me. 250mgs/Test is simply not enough to counteract the libido killing effects of 600mgs/Deca. I have found (again, personal experience) that maintaining a 2:1 ratio of Test to Deca works best for me. You may not have the same effect but you might also be able to run Tren at 700mgs/wk and sleep like a baby for all I know.

From what I know the symptoms of "deca-dick" come from the progesteronic effects due to the 19-Nor position of the steroid. And either way you put it HTPA shut down is HTPA shut down. The Test WILL increase libido even if you ran 500mg/week of Deca and only 100mg/week of Test. If you don't want the symptoms of Deca Dick you need to stabilize your progesterone levels, the problem is not testosterone levels.

[Big]

so does 400mg deca, 500mg test e per week injected at the same time twice a week while dropping the deca off 2 weeks early sound okay?

yes^

[*RAGE*]

so does 400mg deca, 500mg test e per week injected at the same time twice a week while dropping the deca off 2 weeks early sound okay?

yes but have you gave your stats yet and want do you have planned for your PCT bro?

[*RAGE*]

big you are fast and yes you did so sorry about that missed it over all the bs.....

[Juice Authority]

everyone is indeed different. not to further hijack the thread, but on an interesting side note if I run much past 400mg/week of tren a the sides are quite bad, but I've ran well over double that with tren e with great results and minimal sides. in any event let's let this thread get back on track.

Now to me that makes no sense, which further illustrates why personal experience should be a relevant consideration. The slow building effect of Tren E versus the hard hitting one of Tren A makes many people nuts at peak concentration levels. The bad news for those struggling with Tren related sides is that with Tren E you have to ride it out for a couple of weeks because of the enanthate ester. With Tren A the sides go away within a couple/few days of discontinuing use.

[fitfreak6]

i have clomid, nolvadex, and l-dex on hand, figured i'd run them 2 weeks after last test pin at .25 l-dex, 100mg clomid, 20mg nolva until i run out which would be about 3 weeks. figure if i start to see signs of gyno i'll start the nolva during the cycle and get some more for post cycle, does this sound okay?

[Big]

Now to me that makes no sense...

nor does it to me.

[Juice Authority]

From what I know the symptoms of "deca-dick" come from the progesteronic effects due to the 19-Nor position of the steroid. And either way you put it HTPA shut down is HTPA shut down. The Test WILL increase libido even if you ran 500mg/week of Deca and only 100mg/week of Test. If you don't want the symptoms of Deca Dick you need to stabilize your progesterone levels, the problem is not testosterone levels.

And if you react bad to drugs that reduce prolactin levels (Prami and caber) then what? I never said it wasn't a progesterone related issue. In fact, that is exactly what I have been saying hence why I keep my Deca dose lower. The higher dose of test overrides the progesterone related issues.

[*RAGE*]

I would just run the clomid at 100mg ed for the first two weeks and the nolva 40mg for the first two weeks then drop the clomid down to 50mg ed and the nolva to 20mg ed and sounds like you have handle on every thing....good job bro sorry about the drama in your thread

[TractionIssues]

i have clomid, nolvadex, and l-dex on hand, figured i'd run them 2 weeks after last test pin at .25 l-dex, 100mg clomid, 20mg nolva until i run out which would be about 3 weeks. figure if i start to see signs of gyno i'll start the nolva during the cycle and get some more for post cycle, does this sound okay?

Your Clomid should only be 100mg ED the first week, then you should cut it in half progressively. Same with Nolva starting with 40mg.

[Big]

i have clomid, nolvadex, and l-dex on hand, figured i'd run them 2 weeks after last test pin at .25 l-dex, 100mg clomid, 20mg nolva until i run out which would be about 3 weeks. figure if i start to see signs of gyno i'll start the nolva during the cycle and get some more for post cycle, does this sound okay?

I would run the clomid 100/100/50/50, or perhaps 100/50/50/50
and the nolva 40/40/20/20

[*RAGE*]

And if you react bad to drugs that reduce prolactin levels (Prami and caber) then what? I never said it wasn't a progesterone related issue. In fact, that is exactly what I have been saying hence why I keep my Deca dose lower. The higher dose of test overrides the progesterone related issues.

Hey I have a good idea start you own thread and lets talk about you and stop everyones thread...

[*RAGE*]

I would run the clomid 100/100/50/50, or perhaps 100/50/50/50
and the nolva 40/40/20/20

I think that is the first time i posted faster then you

[fitfreak6]

what about the l-dex? i got it from ar-r so i am not real sure on the quality, but so far it looks like i should go:

Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
L-Dex: ???

[Big]

I think that is the first time i posted faster then you

umm...my power went out. yeah, that's the ticket...

[Big]

what about the l-dex? i got it from ar-r so i am not real sure on the quality, but so far it looks like i should go:

Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
L-Dex: ???

I prefer aromasin for pct, but if you choose the adex .25mg/eod should suffice, and could start the day after last test shot.