androderm patches??

[Draconus]

Anyone have any experiences with them. 24.3 mg 5 mg by the time the body gets it in a 24 hr period. They seem like they might be good when coming off. Responses??

[Mike]

crap - they're pretty useless if you're thinking botu using them to build up with and useless to come off cycle with - just use clomid etc to raise your NATURAL test - androderm hasnt proved very effective even for people with test deficiencies and it was designed specifically for that - their transdermal method isn't very efficient - dont bother with it or the androgel etc

[Draconus]

Thanks for the advice. I will pass on them. It seems that in my area clen is easier to get than clomid. But I do have a guy working on it. I did the hcg for 2 weeks. 5000 iu every 5 days.
and clen is all I really have to work with for at least another 2 weeks. I am using nolvadex as we speak. I just need to last til the next cycle, but that's still 7 weeks away. Any suggestions??
Any Natural Items out there that you have had good results with??

Thanks