2nd cycle, test and deca on hand, sort me out

[Headliner]

first cycle:

week 1-12 test E 400mg/week shot every Mon/thurs
week 14-16 100mg clomid
week 16-18 50mg clomid

week 1-18 AIFM 1-3 pumps/day (depending how I felt)
gained 5+ lbs of mass and lost 1-2% bodyfat (after pct).

stats:
20 y/o
6'0
180 lbs
4 years training
8-10% bodyfat


Alright now that my history is done, I'd like some help planning my 2nd cycle.

currently, all I have on hand is:
x2 10ml vial test e 250mg/ml
x2 10ml vial deca 200mg/ml

What does should I run it for, and how long?

originally was thinking:
week 1-10 deca 400mg/week
week 1-12 test 400mg/week

But 800mg/week seems kinda scary to me..

New idea I pulled out of my ass is:

week 1 500mg deca
week 1 500mg test
week 2 - 12 350mg deca
week 2 - 14 375mg test

Was simply crunching numbers trying to fit 4000mg deca 5000mg test in 14 weeks. Front load is weak, but... I just can't bring myself to not use all the gear haha, guess I'll have to get over that. Would really like to front load, someone want to sort me out a better cycle?

[D7M]

you need a solid diet and training regiment.

Not drugs.

you're 20yrs old. Your natty test levels are through the roof, take advantage of that!

[c-Z]

you need a solid diet and training regiment.

Not drugs.

you're 20yrs old. Your natty test levels are through the roof, take advantage of that!

Exactly what he said... not to mention your only 180 at 6'0 going on your second cycle..... Steroids aren't miracle workers.....

[Headliner]

you need a solid diet and training regiment.

Not drugs.

you're 20yrs old. Your natty test levels are through the roof, take advantage of that!

not so much, I had blood work done, was on the low end of the scale. Ive always been trying to stay really lean but going to ram in the calories for this bulk (forgot to mention, thats the goal). 4000-4500 cal / day is the plan.

Please don't preach "don't use drugs", I know I'm an idiot but it's my body and if I wanna put chemicals in it that's up to me. I get blood work done regularly, and stay clear of alcohol/drugs. If some major problems do arise, I'll take it from there.

I know you bros have nothing but the best intention for us brolys, but please disregard my well being and help plan this out. The outcome right now is looking like doing that cycle I pulled out of my ass, help me sort out the cycle, not try to get me to stop.

[Navy-boi-kai]

i will tell you this im the same age almost same hieght im 200 lbs 12 percent bf. I would try a little more hard core on your diet bro. IMO

[Headliner]

i will tell you this im the same age almost same hieght im 200 lbs 12 percent bf. I would try a little more hard core on your diet bro. IMO

Always kept my calories fairly low to maintain my abs/obliques. Ready to do a serious bulk now and yes I'll definitely be upping the calories, but I am also going to be upping the dose bro.

[c-Z]

i will tell you this im the same age almost same hieght im 200 lbs 12 percent bf. I would try a little more hard core on your diet bro. IMO

As well as I'm only 5'6 at 190... And only 1/3 of the way threw my first cycle..... Your planning your 2nd. And I'm still more than you and a lot shorter....No one really wants to recommend much for people who's bodies can still grow naturally no problem...... anyone can eat 4000-5000 calories.... It's not only about the calories... But as well it's about what types of food... there are such things as good and bad calories.... pounding down mc d's cheese burgers because they are high in calories... Doesn't mean its good....

Only reason I will preach is because for the longest time i could not get past 160ish..... And I eat so much... And was stupid about what I eat..... Eating the right foods. And the right poritions at the right time has made me what I am.....

Steroids people think are magic workers.. And that you will magically get HUGE on steroids.... But without proper diet.... Hell no

[Headliner]

Already done a cycle, I know the effects. Please stop preaching to me, your just going to make me look like an asshole. I put on 60lbs with very little added fat already, So I'm doing something right.

[T-MOS]

You are 20 years old and about 30 lbs LIGHT.

are you sure you want to SHUT DOWN your body's natural production of hormones now while they are at their PEAK and risk them not coming back or coming back a lot lower??

also, your growth plates do not fuse until the MID 20's, by using steroids now, you risk fusing them prematurely!

No matter your age, IF at your height, you can't get to and MAINTAIN, your natural potential BEFORE using steroids, then chances are YOU WILL NOT KEEP most if any of your gains LONGTERM !!

You have done ONE cycle already and are still VERY LIGHT !! That says you don't know how to eat to grow!!! Steroids are NOT magic, if you don't use the right fuel at the right times, you can take all the steroids you want and you won't get the results you could if you did it correctly

[Headliner]

Already done a cycle, I know the effects. Please stop preaching to me, your just going to make me look like an asshole. I put on 60lbs with very little added fat already, So I'm doing something right.

was 6'0 120 lbs 11inch arms probably 5% bodyfat.

[_CrossroadS_]

So wait, you started a thread to get people to give you advice that's supposed to benefit you, and then when they do, you tell them they can't give you said advice, and that you want to hear something else?

Imagine you have no arms and legs and are blind and go to the corvette dealership and tell them want to test drive car. The salesman will ask "are you going to drive it? sir you are in no shape to be driving a vehicle." Are you going to say "I understand it isn't in my best interest to be driving a car, but please sir, I'm going to drive the car regardless of whether you think i should or not"

Do you think he's going to let you drive it?


Don't do drugs. If you want to do drugs, don't ask people who think you shouldn't be doing it for advice. My F%cking dog is smarter than that.

[_CrossroadS_]

Sorry that's the tren talking. I didn't mean to imply that you aren't more intelligent than my dog.

Please take advice from the many people who have been in your shoes, and some of whom went down the path you are considering, and wait.

[Headliner]

man, this board only knows how to regurgitate the same old garbage. Every post I see on here is telling the guy not to cycle. Who the **** are you to tell me what I can and cannot do, my morals are different from yours, get over it. Have you not learned by now that there are some people who's skulls are too ****ing thick to take in a recommendation that is only going to make things harder for the guy?? I have career goals, not even going to say anything more about that. There you go making me look like an asshole

[Headliner]

Sorry that's the tren talking. I didn't mean to imply that you aren't more intelligent than my dog.

Please take advice from the many people who have been in your shoes, and some of whom went down the path you are considering, and wait.

Exactly that just pisses me off more, people who have done the same thing I am attempting to do, and tell me to not do it. Yet they know damn well if someone said the same thing to them when they were attempting to do it, they know damn well they wouldn't listen... **** now i feel like an asshole for telling off that other guy.

[Headliner]

I though id give it a go and try my real stats first, guess I should of just lied like the rest of the people and said:

25 Y/O
200 lbs
5'11
10 years workout experience.

****, guess I gotta go to a different board.

[lovbyts]

man, this board only knows how to regurgitate the same old garbage. Every post I see on here is telling the guy not to cycle. Who the **** are you to tell me what I can and cannot do, my morals are different from yours, get over it. Have you not learned by now that there are some people who's skulls are too ****ing thick to take in a recommendation that is only going to make things harder for the guy?? I have career goals, not even going to say anything more about that. There you go making me look like an asshole

Same old stuff for a reason, to try to help a few of the more kids NOT screw themselves up.

It's because it's proven that doing it to young had dire consequences and even if it is your own body we dont need to help you destroy it.

There are sites out there that will teach you how to make meth, why not go visit them. Have fun...

[_CrossroadS_]

I don't get what you are trying to accomplish?

You are looking for advice on which cycle to take.

People here don't think you should cycle. Not because they don't want you to, but because there is proof it is a bad idea. If that is the case, then wtf does it matter if you shoot 100mg test a week or a 1000, either is a bad idea.

No, no one here is going to give you advice on which cycle to take because the consensus here is that the cycle you should take is none.

Don't cry, just use common sense.

I'm actually mad now because my tax dollars are part of the billions of dollars spent each year by the government to do research on subjects such as this. They come up with the conclusion that it is unhealthy for you to do this and then you want to do it anyways? F* that. You don't deserve advice.

[sigman roid]

Same old stuff for a reason, to try to help a few of the more kids NOT screw themselves up.

It's because it's proven that doing it to young had dire consequences and even if it is your own body we dont need to help you destroy it.

There are sites out there that will teach you how to make meth, why not go visit them. Have fun...

i agree theres plenty more sites out there that will tell you what you want to hear, if you dont like the advise you get DONT ASK FOR ADVICE, just do what you want.its not about us just telling people what to do with the gear they have bought if we think you are to young thats what you will be told plain and simple.

[chuckt12345]

first your to young and all that crap,,
second proposed cycles above look fine,, wheres your PCT

[Headliner]

first your to young and all that crap,,
second proposed cycles above look fine,, wheres your PCT

After talking to a friend new cycle looks like this:
week 1 test 750mg
week 1 Deca 700mg
week 2-10 deca 350mg
week 2-12 test 375mg

PCT I have no idea, the same one everyone throws at you I guess:

week 14-16 100mg clomid 40mg nolva
week 16-18 50mg clomid 20mg nolva

I don't know what to do for an AI though, AIFM (used before, got blood work, estro was below normal while on) through weeks 1-18 is what I'm leaning towards at the moment. No experience with adex/ldex yet those are pretty common, any recommendations there?

To the people trying to "help" me... If I guys going to make a "mistake" (in your eyes) no matter what, at least help him make the smallest mistake possible(NOT cycling isn't in the option list ****ers heh).

[_CrossroadS_]

No because a small mistake and big mistake are one in the same in this situ. Lost cause kid...

[Akrobatik]

I though id give it a go and try my real stats first, guess I should of just lied like the rest of the people and said:

25 Y/O
200 lbs
5'11
10 years workout experience.

****, guess I gotta go to a different board.

Lying will just do you more harm. We just want to warn you that you can permanently damage your natural test levels. We dont want you to come back here saying you cant get an erection. Seriously.. are you doing this because of a girl? Its not worth it.