best stack?

[lennoxxx]

hey i need some advise on what to stack with halo to gain some lean mass? with min sides.thanks

[Akrobatik]

If thats you in that picture.. then im guessing your like 17 and weigh 135 pounds?

[WARMachine]

Foodadrol.

Thats the best thing to stack with.

[sigman roid]

again...stats
age
weight
height
bf

[lennoxxx]

yeah well im 18 135 pounds 5’7

[lennoxxx]

im not sure what my bf is sorry

[T-MOS]

Halo won't do you any good yet

you need to learn to EAT first. even steroids need FOOD in order to help, BUT if you can't get to your natural potential and maintain it NATURALLY, then whatever you MIGHT gain from steroids, you will lose cause you need to FEED muscles in order to keep them

at your height, you should be able to get to 180 NATURALLY, if you can't , then don't waste your time or money on steroids

[Akrobatik]

Nvm i just found out he is 18 and 135. You think your done growing, but you have no idea. I gained 30 pounds of muscle from age 18-23 naturally. At 18 your natural test levels are still growing, so dont mess it up. Also you should not be stacking on your first cycle. Wait a few years if you plan on having a sex life. Dont come back here crying when your hair is falling off, breaking out with acne, cant get an erection, growing bitch boobs, cant sleep. We warned you.

[T-MOS]

That said, it is really a dumb idea to shut off your natural testosterone when it is at its PEAK levels, and risk them NOT coming back or coming back at much lower levels

ALSO, your are ONLY 5'7.... If you ever want to see 5'8" then you need to stay away from steroids until your mid 20's as your growth plates have not fused yet. Using steroids now almost guarantees pre mature fusion of your growth plates. Its just NOT worth all the risk right now especially when you don't know how to eat to grow

IF you will take some time to learn how to eat and actually do it, you could easily put on 20-30 lean lbs in a year !!!

[lennoxxx]

Halo won't do you any good yet

you need to learn to EAT first. even steroids need FOOD in order to help, BUT if you can't get to your natural potential and maintain it NATURALLY, then whatever you MIGHT gain from steroids, you will lose cause you need to FEED muscles in order to keep them

at your height, you should be able to get to 180 NATURALLY, if you can't , then don't waste your time or money on steroids

i do eat,but its kinda hard for me to get a good diet im a vegetarian.thats why im trying to just gain some lean mass and maintain it.

[sigman roid]

yeah well im 18 135 pounds 5’7

sorry bro, to young for steroids

[T-MOS]

i do eat,but its kinda hard for me to get a good diet im a vegetarian.thats why im trying to just gain some lean mass and maintain it.

No offense intended, cause I am sure you THINK you do eat, and maybe you do, BUT you do NOT eat the way you need to in order to put mass on your body

I will bet YOUR life on it!!!!

lay out what you eat in a typical day with time you eat, and let us take a look

We can help you grow if you want to do it correctly and when its time for you to use steroids, we will gladly help you there as well. but using them when it will harm you is NOT what we are all about. I hope you are mature enough to understand that

[lennoxxx]

and i undrstand what your all saying about my ag but im in the gym everyday working my hardest but im not really gaining any size or strength and its frustrating

[Akrobatik]

i do eat,but its kinda hard for me to get a good diet im a vegetarian.thats why im trying to just gain some lean mass and maintain it.

Start eating meat. Problem solved.

[lennoxxx]

No offense intended, cause I am sure you THINK you do eat, and maybe you do, BUT you do NOT eat the way you need to in order to put mass on your body

I will bet YOUR life on it!!!!

lay out what you eat in a typical day with time you eat, and let us take a look

We can help you grow if you want to do it correctly and when its time for you to use steroids, we will gladly help you there as well. but using them when it will harm you is NOT what we are all about. I hope you are mature enough to understand that

usually oatmeal for breakfast 3-4 meals a day soyburgers fish and vegetables and protein shakes after workouts

[WARMachine]

Ask yourself why youre not gaining?

Why do you think that is buddy?

[T-MOS]

and i undrstand what your all saying about my ag but im in the gym everyday working my hardest but im not really gaining any size or strength and its frustrating

you are NOT gaining because you are trying to fly a JET without JET FUEL !!!

aint gonna happen with or without steroids. all steroids do is basically allow the body to synthesis more protein then it can naturally....if you aren't giving it the CORRECT about of calories at the right times, then even with steroids, your not gonna make gains

trust us, we are not here to stop you , just help you do it CORRECTLY and SAFELY !!!

FOOD,

I just bulked up for 3 months and gained 35 lbs.

I ate EVERY TWO HOURS full meals, tons of steak, fish, eggs, rice, potatoes...etc......

If this was easy, everyone could do it. you have to want it bad enough to do it RIGHT and force yourself to EAT TO GROW

there is no shortcuts here even WITH steroids, in fact its harder with steroids cause you have to eat MORE !!!

[lennoxxx]

Start eating meat. Problem solved.

i haven't eaten meat for 3 years,not gonna start now

[T-MOS]

usually oatmeal for breakfast 3-4 meals a day soyburgers fish and vegetables and protein shakes after workouts

yea, thats what I figured..... I eat that much before 10 am !!!

THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM

[T-MOS]

i haven't eaten meat for 3 years,not gonna start now

FINE, don't eat meat, but that is just going to make something that is already HARD even HARDER.....so you will have to be even MORE committed to eating


do you eat fish?
do you eat eggs?

[Hunter]

eggs are just a chicken aboration you should be able to eat them. Also fish doesnt count, they are not cute or cuddly so yeah you should be able to eat them. Whey protien you could have and some dairy products might work not killing anything.

[WARMachine]

Serious advise only guys.

If not, let TMos and Me handle it.

Im still waiting for a answer to my questions Lennox.

Explain to me why you think Steroids will help you at this point? Since its obvious you cannot gain naturally, what makes you think youre gonna gain much more with the use of AAS?

[Akrobatik]

Think about it this way. If you want to be 200 pounds than you got to eat like a 200 pound man. Hell, im eating a 12" polish kielbasa as we speak.

[Hunter]

Serious advise only guys.

If not, let TMos and Me handle it.

Im still waiting for a answer to my questions Lennox.

Explain to me why you think Steroids will help you at this point? Since its obvious you cannot gain naturally, what makes you think youre gonna gain much more with the use of AAS?

I was being serious. I believe its vegans who cant eat fish, eggs or diary products. I believe vegatarians can eat those three things.

[WARMachine]

It was not directed at you bro.

Sorry, just bad timing on the post. I can see how you made the correlation.

[lennoxxx]

FINE, don't eat meat, but that is just going to make something that is already HARD even HARDER.....so you will have to be even MORE committed to eating


do you eat fish?
do you eat eggs?

i am committed and will eat as much as i have to.i eat fish not eggs.how much more should i be eating,and what else should i put in my diet?

[WARMachine]

Everything.

You need to be consuming as many cals as possible at your age. From the looks of it, your metabolism is probably through the roof.

[Hunter]

i am committed and will eat as much as i have to.i eat fish not eggs.how much more should i be eating,and what else should i put in my diet?

are you willing to eat eggs?

I rarely get into the whole story telling thing but I am gonna. When I came here I was 5'7 150 pounds soaking wet. I had a bad injury from college wrestling and felt like shit. I didnt think i would wrestle again at all. So I wanted to get big, exact same as you. I came into this forum but after I got flammed(which I deserved). I went and read on diet and workout routines and realized I new jack shit about either one. I am honestly now 180 and 10% bf and that was with a few breaks for presonal reasons. Really man dont do this its not smart, esp at your age. I know the frustration but most people here just wanna help. Listen to them you would be amazed at the gains you will make.

[lennoxxx]

Serious advise only guys.

If not, let TMos and Me handle it.

Im still waiting for a answer to my questions Lennox.

Explain to me why you think Steroids will help you at this point? Since its obvious you cannot gain naturally, what makes you think youre gonna gain much more with the use of AAS?

i thought they might just kinda ?jump start? me into gaining.a couple of my friends were on roids and it seemed like they blew up without even trying

[T-MOS]

Everything.

You need to be consuming as many cals as possible at your age. From the looks of it, your metabolism is probably through the roof.

agreed !!

check out the diet section, there are bulking diet there, but generally you are gonna have a harder time

eat EVERY TWO HOURS, full meals, meaning good proteins, good carbs and good fats in EVERY MEAL !!

8-10 meals a day, try to stay away from shakes, you need WHOLE FOODS

set your alarm to eat

wake up in middle of night to have your shake

[Hunter]

i thought they might just kinda ?jump start? me into gaining.a couple of my friends were on roids and it seemed like they blew up without even trying

I would put my money on water retention for the reason they blew up and that goes away plus all the health risks they are taking.

[WARMachine]

i thought they might just kinda ?jump start? me into gaining.a couple of my friends were on roids and it seemed like they blew up without even trying

UH HUH!

Bingo!

This is why you are here. Let me ask you this? Do you know what your HPTA is?

Do you know what will happen to it if you use AAS? Do you know it may NEVER recover? And do you know what that entails?

I implore you to research those questions. If you are prepared to accept those answers, and still want to continue, ill provide you with info on a proper cycle and PCT seeing as how youll do it anyway.

However, i will NOT answer any questions, due to the fact i personally feel morally obligated not to advise teenagers on the uses of AAS. I will simply provide you the most accurate links that will best direct you on a proper cycle.

[T-MOS]

are you willing to eat eggs?

I rarely get into the whole story telling thing but I am gonna. When I came here I was 5'7 150 pounds soaking wet. I had a bad injury from college wrestling and felt like shit. I didnt think i would wrestle again at all. So I wanted to get big, exact same as you. I came into this forum but after I got flammed(which I deserved). I went and read on diet and workout routines and realized I new jack shit about either one. I am honestly now 180 and 10% bf and that was with a few breaks for presonal reasons. Really man dont do this its not smart, esp at your age. I know the frustration but most people here just wanna help. Listen to them you would be amazed at the gains you will make.

Now WHO would have flamed a nice guy like you??? sure, don't tell them who helped you out, thats ok, my ego doesn't need stroked anymore......LOLOL

[Akrobatik]

You can get some good protein from peanut butter, beans, low fat cheese, low fat yogurt, milk. Do you eat shrimp? clams? crab?

[Hunter]

Now WHO would have flamed a nice guy like you??? sure, don't tell them who helped you out, thats ok, my ego doesn't need stroked anymore......LOLOL

I believe I proposed the most awsome cycle in the world deca/d-bol with no idea of pct either....how awsome was I.

[Chopperbox]

If thats you in that picture.. then im guessing your like 17 and weigh 135 pounds?

lol right in the bulls eye, 135 pounds!

[Reed]

Be smart lennoxxx these guys are leading you down the right path and you will benefit in the long run

Diet is vital and if you can come down to the diet forum and start a thread we would be more than happy to assist you. Also if you would like to go to the workout forum we can help you design a program for success.

Realize that without the diet you will not grow and I'm sure you understand that a bigger muscle is a stronger one. Well your muscles will grow, your tendons will not as I can tell you have not adjusted yourself to heavy training like a football player and this could lead to serious injury and halting your progress

At your age its best to do all you can and achieve goals naturally. I know its frustrating I have been there where you are. I was smart and waited years and was able to surpass all the guys on the sauce without it cause I understood the importance of proper training and proper nutrition.

Plus do you really wanna be on the sauce and be weak? I do not know why people would not be embarrassed. Train like a athlete, do it right. Be a smart young man

[jbm]

Just listen and you won't regret anything in the future...
We encounter threads like this everyday and the advices we give is the same everyday...

[WARMachine]

Fantastic advice as per usual Reed!

REED=VET

[Akrobatik]

Dont fallow your friends man. Your smarter than them.. you know why? Because you came to these forums and thats the right step. Your friends dont even know what they are doing.