Need PROFESSIONAL advice on 1st injectable cycle

[Mo-I-KaN]

Hello everyone,

Let me sum it up for you,
I finally met a guy I can trust so I'm gettin ready and eager for my 1st injectable cycle. This guy is a MD and owns a pharmacy but also likes to dodge some rules . The stuff he will be injecting me is pharma grade stuff, and since he'll be giving me the injections himself I feel confident about this... I've always been afraid to order ampoules online and get caught but I also do not know how to shot myself so... Problem solved!
Something about me: I've 3 cycles on my belt, tbol 40mg for 4weeks as my first cycle, good gains (14lbs - kept 11lbs), 2nd was tbol at 30mg + var 30mg for 4weeks and I didn't like the result but I got leaner and 3rd cycle was tbol 60mg for 4 weeks, good gains again but better diet, so I got leaner + added 6lbs, kept the 6. All of this was done responsably with liver protectants, no alcohol, good diet and good PCT protocol of Clomid 100/50/50 + Nolva 40/20/20... Always recovered fine and feeling better than ever. My last cycle was in March.

Now my stats:

Male
27 years old
5.9' ft
188 lbs
11-12% body fat

I need some advice about my injectable cycle. I want something that can give me something like 10-14lbs don't want more but also help me get under 10% body fat, so no really mass bulking needed and completely not wanted!
This is what I have in mind for possible cycles and I need expert advice to help me make the right choices guys:

8 week Sustanon (400mg every week)

or

8 week Testoviron (400mg every week)

I was also thinking on adding some Deca to help my cholesterol and help ched some extra fat. What do you guys think of this?

8 week Sustanon (400mg every week) or 8 week Testoviron (400mg every week)

PLUS
8 week Deca (300mg every week)

For PCT I'm thinking of something like this:

Clomid 150/100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20

Do I need HCG during cycle or in PCT?

I'll have Letro on hand, but I plan on only using the letro if something really bitchy starts to happen. I'll be using Arimidex 1mg ed through the hole cycle to prevent estrogen related sides, so probably i'll be fine. What do you think?
I want to do it right, please help me out guys. Much appreciated

[sigman roid]

first cycle test only forget the deca, i would run test e for 12wks 500mg shot 250mg every 3.5 days,hcg you use on cycle not in pct but you may not need it, running 8 weeks of test is not worth it imo

[lovbyts]

first cycle test only forget the deca, i would run test e for 12wks 500mg shot 250mg every 3.5 days,hcg you use on cycle not in pct but you may not need it, running 8 weeks of test is not worth it imo

What he said^^^^^^ Agreed, run Test 12 weeks, maybe 14 but NOT only 8.

[JiGGaMaN]

i would move up to 10 weeks at least.

[Mo-I-KaN]

So... I need to make it longer, I see.

I would like to use some sort of Test Blend to see some effect sooner. Test E will take forever.

What about Sustanon for 10 weeks at 500mg every week?

[gordongecko74]

test e is better for maintaining consistant blood levels and ony shoot every 3.5 days. sus has 4 diff esters. must be pinned eod.

[Mo-I-KaN]

I thought Sustanon could be injected every 3.5 days! Or can't it?

So, maybe I'll follow your advice, what do you think of:

Week 1-3: Tbol 40mg ED (I like its ability to reduce SHBG´s binding to other steroids, so I believe it's a really nice jump starter) + Test E 500mg (2 shots of 250mg a week) + Arimidex 1mg ED
Week 3-10: Test E 500mg (2 shots of 250mg a week) + Arimidex 1mg ED

Week 11: Clomid 150 + Nolva 60
Week 12: Clomid 100 + Nolva 40
Week 13: Clomid 100 + Nolva 40
Week 14: Clomid 100 + Nolva 40
Week 15: Clomid 50 + Nolva 20
Week 16-20: Tribulus + ZMA

The only problem about jump starting w/ Tbol is that it cranks my back really hard... I get back pumps with it and that keeps me away from doing cardio, it's really painfull to run more than 8 min but I always have the bike. I'm affraid I get that trough all cycle and I really want to lower body fat too...

[richtries]

I thought Sustanon could be injected every 3.5 days! Or can't it?

So, maybe I'll follow your advice, what do you think of:

Week 1-3: Tbol 40mg ED (I like its ability to reduce SHBG´s binding to other steroids, so I believe it's a really nice jump starter) + Test E 500mg (2 shots of 250mg a week) + Arimidex 1mg ED
Week 3-10: Test E 500mg (2 shots of 250mg a week) + Arimidex 1mg ED

Week 11: Clomid 150 + Nolva 60
Week 12: Clomid 100 + Nolva 40
Week 13: Clomid 100 + Nolva 40
Week 14: Clomid 100 + Nolva 40
Week 15: Clomid 50 + Nolva 20
Week 16-20: Tribulus + ZMA

The only problem about jump starting w/ Tbol is that it cranks my back really hard... I get back pumps with it and that keeps me away from doing cardio, it's really painfull to run more than 8 min but I always have the bike. I'm affraid I get that trough all cycle and I really want to lower body fat too...

Personally . . .

Test for 10 weeks is fine. Turinabol is not ideal as a kickstart as takes too long to kick in, I just used superdrol and was up 8 lbs by the end of week 1, food for thought. 1mg of adex ed is too high, start with 0.25 eod and adjust accordingly. Your dosages for nolva/clomid are also too high, try the following;

nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

No need for 5 weeks on that cycle, plus the tribulus would be waste of money imo, zma just helps you sleep i read. For back pumps (get em on sd to) try increasing your potassium/taurine intake, i usually took a banana and sugar free red bull before work outs.

Hope it helps.

[AllPumpedUp]

yes 8 weeks is too short for those type of compounds 10 min. 14 max (weeks)