Right now I'm using a test blend and deca. I was planning on doing this for 12 weeks and then switching to tren and test for four more weeks, just to add more mass. Any thoughts?
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Tren after test/deca?
Right now I'm using a test blend and deca. I was planning on doing this for 12 weeks and then switching to tren and test for four more weeks, just to add more mass. Any thoughts?
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yea, thats a terrible idea!!!
What are your stats and previous cycle history? what type of cycles have you run before
what is your PCT for this cycle?
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Why is that a terrible idea?
I've done about 6 or 7 cycles (all mass gaining). I gained 60 lbs naturally, but I've never made huge gains on any cycle. I have PCT ready, and I plan to use it, but here's a little background info for you:
Last year my wife and I wanted to have a baby. After my last cycle I did PCT correctly. Then we couldn't get pregnant. The Dr. tested me two months after my last injection - zero sperm - not even 1. Then a blood test that found my test levels were equivalent to that of a woman. The Dr. told me that it can take 6 months to 1.5 years for test and sperm to come back to normal levels, regardless of any PCT. I checked the medical literature, and everything I read was in agreement. PCT helps while you're on it, but the problem is the PCT is the catalyst for your body to produce LH. Once you stop PCT, your body stops again. Your own body has to resume production of LH (I believe this starts in the pituitary gland) on it's own, and no amount of PCT can cause that. By the way, it was 8 months before my wife got pregnant, and the only thing the Dr. recommended to get my test and sperm levels up was time.
Anyway....I'm 31, 5'10, and 215 now with about 10% bodyfat. I have over 12 years of training experience, and my diet is good (i'm a personal trainer). My goal is simply to add more mass. Like I said, I've never had huge responses to any cycle, and I've used test, deca, anadrol, dianabol, and tren in the past. I've used pretty standard cycles in terms of length and dosage.
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T-mos is right.Bad idea.First of all, the tren should be run in a SEPARATE cycle.Finish the one your on and then the PCT.
Second,how much time are you taking between cycles?
Third,what does your PCT consist of?And how are you executing it?
Low sperm count could be a separate issue from the cycle history you have all together.You need to do some research and find out the exact culprit.Furthermore, if you are making such great gains while not on aas, then why cycle at all??
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It's not a terrible idea. It's actually a quite common cycle but many times people do it for 16 weeks. Many people do test deca for 8 weeks than a test tren cycle for 8 weeks. 16 week total cycle. You've done all these compounds before so you know how your body should respond and you understand the side efect. Just do a good PCT as you will get shutdown. Arimidex,Clomid and HCG. Do Dave Palumbo's PCT.
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T-MOS, I liked your other avatar better.It was the "SH-T"!!!
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Terrible for several reasons.
One, you don't know how to cycle or diet. Your stats are NOT that good for someone who has 6-7 cycles. So, I am guessing you rely on the steroids to put on size and weight, but then don't know how to eat to keep the gains.... DIET is 89% of this game
I am 5'11 with about 8 cycles and just finished a bulk that got me to 275.
Tren for 4 weeks is really a waste. First I would assume you would use Tren A as Tren E would take 4-6 weeks just to kick in.
Tren A will take about 2 weeks to kick in so then you will run it for only 2 weeks past its kick in..SO that would just be a waste
If you haven't seen huge responses in your cycles then the first place to look is YOUR DIET !!!
If you get that straight, you CAN make incredible gains with lower amounts
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I couldn't tell you how long I've taken between every cycle. Sometimes it was longer than other times. On the PCT, I read everything I could find. I used HCG and tamoxifen (nolva) last time. I've used clomid in the past, but I don't think I used it last time.
On the sperm count, no, it was entirely due to the cycle. Everything was fine eventually, but it took several months.
As to the question of making such good gains without AAS, as with everyone eventually the gains stopped. I went from 135 at age 19 to 195 at around age 23 completely natural. Then I fell back to 170 from doing too much cardio. That's why I started AAS.
I can tell you that I waited a year between the last cycle and this current one (for my wife to get pregnant).
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Which avy? just felt like I needed a changeOriginally Posted by TITANIUM
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Wow, first, it's not very nice to insult people that you're supposedly helping, so thanks a lot.
Did you read the part about me being a personal trainer? I know how to eat, and I eat as much as I can. I am a naturally lean person (ectomorph), and the anabolics help me to eat. I eat as much as I can. The end.
By the way, the tren is a tren blend, not just acetate.
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Really you should look into your diet. I still run my diet through guys to see if there is room for improvement. No one is trying to be rude but trying to help if its not your diet then look at your routine. Aas is usually the last thing not causing gains.
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For PCT i like Swifto's guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581
also, if you know that gains stop at some point, why would you want to run your cycle longer?
give your body a chance to get back to homeostasis and take time to learn to eat to grow
TIME OFF = TIME ON + PCT TIME so if you do a 12 week cycle and a 4 week PCT, then you should be off for at least 16 weeks unless you get bloodwork done to make sure your levels are back to normal
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Nothing was meant as an insult to you, just harsh truth. I didn't call you any names .
You may know how to eat to stay where you are at, but sorry, you do NOT know how to eat TO GROW !!!
naturally lean is a cop out bullshit excuse..... I was a 180 lb scrawny kid until I learned HOW TO EAT TO GROW......
don't make excuses
and a tren blend is even WORSE as it has long esters that won't kick in for 4-6 weeks
If you feel your diet is SO GOOD, then please lay out a typical days food intake with times and macros, and let us have a look. There is a HUGE difference between dieting, and eating correctly for a steroid cycle and for growth
OH, and I was a personal trainer too, so that holds NO weight with me or gives you NO credit for dieting...again NO OFFENSE
if you want to grow,your gonna have to open your mind to some new eating habits
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The avy with the "S" on the "******" up chest.I think it was your last one.It was Really the balls!!!!
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Ok, this is my last answer to questions...Really I just one simple question, and I only got one good answer so far. Eating to grow comes down to how many total calories you can take in, and obviously how much protein you eat. I already stated I eat as much as I absolutely can every day. I couldn't eat another bite of food. My jaws get tired from chewing. I eat as many times a day as a I can also, normally about 6 (solid food meals). I'm not using any powders or bars now. I used to, but I'm having better success with just food. Just a side note, my training is good - no question there. I've worked out with competitive bodybuilders and other trainers. I've followed every program out there, and what I'm doing now works best (for me and my goals).
How can you say I don't know how to eat to grow? I've gained a total of 80 lbs since I started!!!
Oh, and you mentioned you were 180 and scrawny. I was 135 when I started at age 19!!! I had to work years to get to 180! LOL! Obviously you had a much better starting position than I did.
Lastly, yes, there are a lot of trainers out there that I wouldn't trust, but I have a Master's degree, and I apply critical thinking and analytical skills to each client and situation.
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I should state one more thing: I NEVER said I wasn't making gains. I only said that I've never made huge gains from any one cycle.
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This is one of the most important points, what would be the point of even running it for 4 weeks?
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I can say this because I and almost every other body builders here are in the SAME boat you are. YES its taking in the CORRECT amount of Calories at the CORRECT times during the day.
No one said this was gonna be easy....its NOT !! I hate bulking, I get sick to death of eating, but guess what? WHO CARES !! If you want the gains , you have to separate yourself from the lowly humans and do what they can't.
I was at a point where I was eating every TWO HOURS, thats right TWO HOURS....8-10 meals a day....was it easy? HELL NO, Did I enjoy it, HELL NO. Did it work? HELL YES !!
the point is, it doesn't matter how much steroids you take, If you don't give them enough fuel, how can you expect to make gains??
you need the materials to build with. Thats like wanting a brick wall 10 feet high but only supplying enough materials to go 6 feet high. You will never make it to the 10 feet unless you get MORE MATERIALS (FOOD)
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T-MOS, do you own a supermarket???I know your right.Money is tight and people would have problems making meals.Especially when they are at work.Body building just isn't a obsession, it's a lifestyle and a full time job!
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agreed it takes me an hour everynight to make the food i need to take to work to start at 6.30 am and im back at 1pm for lunch making more and cost a bomb eating healthy all worth it at the end
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No I don't own a supermarket...GOD wouldn't that be great though?!?!?
You have to adjust your lifestyle. I usually cook everything on Sunday for the whole week. Buy cheap steaks in bulk at sam's club and marinate the hell out of them to tender them up. Tuna isn't too expensive and eggs aren't bad either
its not cheap.....
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you new avitar sucks.
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Hell I'm lucky, my wife competes (Figure comps) so we prepare everyting together (On Sunday). People look at us like we are crazy when we buy 15 dozen eggs and a shit ton of chicken
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why all the haten on my avitar???? HANK
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you need a different one plain and simple ohh its in ohio by the way it had a long layover in chicago for some reason, one of the horses for the pony express must have died.
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is that better???
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yes yes it is.
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damnnnn everyone is a critic......LOLOL
have you guys seen your avatars?????
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mine is amazing, a work of art if you will...
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Eh, did any of guys see my other thread about George Spellwin's reports via Elite Fitness? So far, no responses. I just want to see what other people think about it. I want to know if I can trust his info. Thanks!
And thanks for the comments on eating. Eating has always been the hard part for me. I used to use shakes because I couldn't eat enough, but I'm having better success with real food now. It's just hard to force myself to eat more.
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Just dont run the tren this cycle OP,, theres a simple answer to your question. As for the other guys on here, please be weary when you tell someone about not hijacking threads.
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