injectables...

[CJ.]

Are injectables hard on your liver and kidneys? I have a pain in the left side of my back, and don't know how to tell if I strained something or if it is kidneys or something from aas. I am currently running

sust 250/ 1x wk
deca 200/ 1x wk
primo 150/ 2x wk
winni 25/ed

I know these are all small doses. I am happy with the way things are going. Currently in week 8, only 1 week into the winni though. Bloodwork taken in week 5 with everything normal except, slightly high choelest., billirubin at 2.0. I am running milk thistle 1000mgs/ed, as well as 1000mgs/ed of fish oil.

[johnnybigguns]

Your only injecting those compounds just once and twice a week?

[Immortal Soldier]

Drink more water, could be muscle pain. If bloodwork came back fine that obiviously its not your liver not to mention your liver is not on your back.

[CJ.]

that's it bro. I know the sust should be eod or e 3.5. and the primo should be 400mg/wk at least, and the deca at 300, and the winn at 50/ed. But it's working great with what I'm taking. Just concerned about toxicity issues and my insides. I am a very nervous person, always thinking there's something wrong. I probably shouldn't even be on aas with how i think.

[CJ.]

Drink more water, could be muscle pain. If bloodwork came back fine that obiviously its not your liver not to mention your liver is not on your back.

drinking plenty of water, urine is clear, with no problems urinating. No fever either. I just though it might be the beggining of a kidney issue

[CJ.]

hey guys sorry to bump this. If a person has normally healthy kidneys, liver and so on, how likely is it that those low doses listed at the top of the op, to give you problems. Just trying to distinguish between lower back pain and kidney pain.

[busaboy27]

you fine... it takes alot to cause problems.. and bump your doses up.. like u said your paranoid... plus inj is alot less harsh than orals.

[busaboy27]

vicodin and pills like that are harsh on your liver.. but nobody ever talks about that.. so...

[DSM4Life]

Once a week ? FAIL

[c-Z]

Extreme fail....... No research

[CJ.]

Once a week ? FAIL

? FAIL ? Don't understand. I am real happy with my results as far as strength and size. No bloat or anything. I'm @ 184lbs and 14.4%bf 5'8". I'm at 245 on flat, 185 on incline, curling 45's, shoulder press with 80's, shruging with 120's, I know most people on here are stronger but I am super happy with where I'm at. I have alot of respect for you dsm, i hope that wasn't a flame toward me. Its cool if was though, thats your opinion.

[CJ.]

Extreme fail....... No research

yes i did do my research! sust should be ran eod, or e3.5 at the least. the deca could be more as well as the primo. I would rather have run a single ester like e or c also. But I did not do that. with what i'm running I've seen great gains, so why increase dosage? Sorry you do not approve of my cycle, I know, you know more than I do(I have read your posts and respect you), but I am just concerned about sides.

[doctorclaus]

that's it bro. I know the sust should be eod or e 3.5. and the primo should be 400mg/wk at least, and the deca at 300, and the winn at 50/ed. But it's working great with what I'm taking. Just concerned about toxicity issues and my insides. I am a very nervous person, always thinking there's something wrong. I probably shouldn't even be on aas with how i think.

you shouldnt waste gear like that, save your money....... do some research
are you tryin to bulk or cut up?????

[doctorclaus]

do you know what pct is??? and do you have any in hand???

[DSM4Life]

? FAIL ? Don't understand. I am real happy with my results as far as strength and size. No bloat or anything. I'm @ 184lbs and 14.4%bf 5'8". I'm at 245 on flat, 185 on incline, curling 45's, shoulder press with 80's, shruging with 120's, I know most people on here are stronger but I am super happy with where I'm at. I have alot of respect for you dsm, i hope that wasn't a flame toward me. Its cool if was though, thats your opinion.

Do you think posting lifts has anything to do with this thread ?

You aren't taking your shots at the proper times and if you did just a little research you would have read that. It's not a flame but don't say you did research when it would have taken you 5 mins to find 100 posts on the same topic.

[ninesecz]

I had to get off of Percoset that contained codeine because my LFT were getting elevated.
Milk thistle will usually fix you right up

[CJ.]

Do you think posting lifts has anything to do with this thread ?

You aren't taking your shots at the proper times and if you did just a little research you would have read that. It's not a flame but don't say you did research when it would have taken you 5 mins to find 100 posts on the same topic.

I have done a general search on this topic. didn't come up with anything helpful to ease my mind. Posting lifts has nothing to do with this thread, however you used the word fail in caps, and I didn't know how to take it. I know what intervals and what I should be doing according to the wisdom of the respected people on here like yourself. I however did not want to run 400-600mgs of primo a week, the deca is just for joint therapy, I don't want to run over 25mgs of the winni due to its 17a toxic, and I have seen 250mgs of sust benifit many people. Would I ever recommend that sust be shot once a week, NO. I know due to the esters it should be shot eod. This is just what I am doing and it's working for me. I don't know how that makes me a failure, or I have failed with this cycle. The op is strickly about kidneys and if the low amounts of aas I am on can have any ill effect on them. Thats cool that you don't approve bro, and I appreciate your help.

[CJ.]

do you know what pct is??? and do you have any in hand???

yes I have nolva and clomid, will start 18 days after last inject.