need help with first time cycle

**snafu13** · 06-11-2009, 11:51 PM

i started using dianabol about two weeks ago for the first time. i have seen some gains but the more i read i here it should be taken with other things. what i have come up with is to continue the 30mg of dbol per day and add 30mg per day of nolvadex (to avoid bitch tits and to help keep my gains during post cycle). i have also heard it is good to add a testosterone injection to avoid water retention and to burn fat so i was thinking of adding 100 mg. of test C 2x per week. the only thing worrying me is they say nolvadex increases the body's testosterone by 150% im just wondering if that plus the test c would be an overload on my system. not sure but i could really use some feedback before i get in to this.

***T-MOS*** · 06-11-2009, 11:57 PM

Welcome to AR

you should ask these things BEFORE you start any cycle

we need your stats please in order to help you

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
goals
PCT planned

**snafu13** · 06-12-2009, 12:27 AM

yeah stupid i know but i didn't realize this was so involved till i started reading more
age 24
height 5'10
weight 200
bodyfat 20%
diet high protein breakfast and dinner high carb lunch
6years training
goals stay at 200 but lower bodyfat
PCT 30mg per day nolvadex for 4 weeks

**ninesecz** · 06-12-2009, 05:19 AM

you re way off on a bunch of things. 1st off the testosterone is not added to combat water retention, it should be added to any cycle as the base of it!!! Also 30mg of D-bol is OK but 40-50mg ED is better (if your going to take it ....TAKE IT) and test at 200mg EW is very low. that is more like a TRT Dose

**snafu13** · 06-13-2009, 01:03 AM

I see thanks bro. what dose would you recommend for the test. i just wasn't sure how it would react w the nolvadex thats why i leaned towards the lower end of the recommended dose.

**garbageman18** · 06-13-2009, 01:17 AM

400-500mgs a week of test is optimal i think

**jbm** · 06-13-2009, 01:24 AM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

**lovbyts** · 06-13-2009, 01:38 AM

You guys got a good handle on this one. LOL

Listen to what they are saying. Do some reading. Get your cycle in order and most important your diet. Steroids will not help make you lean. It will help with the building muscles IF taken right but if you dont have the poper diet, training before, during and after or the proper PCT you will loose all of what you gained.