would it make sense to do a PH cycle before an AAS cycle or does it not matter?

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 06-13-2009, 04:40 PM

i wanna do an AAS cycle but have never done a PH cycle before. does it matter? is doing a PH first a good way to "test" possible sides?

**Papa Smurf** · 06-13-2009, 04:43 PM

Hey Bro and

Why dont you give us your stats before you cycle anything. Help us, help you!

**kojak_x** · 06-13-2009, 04:47 PM

I would love to hear what others have to say about this...........

**bjpennnn** · 06-13-2009, 05:16 PM

lol ph are garbage. save your money and eat eat eat train train train and sleep sleep sleep. what are your stats?

**seriousmass** · 06-13-2009, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by kojak_x

I would love to hear what others have to say about this...........

I think Prohormones are a good introduction to AAS actually. You still can gain 10 pounds on a good PH & make pretty solid strength gains.

IMO d-drol (the PH) is probably stronger then d-bol. just my .02

**eatrainrest** · 06-13-2009, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

lol ph are garbage. save your money and eat eat eat train train train and sleep sleep sleep. what are your stats?

muahahahhahhaha

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-13-2009, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

lol ph are garbage. save your money and eat eat eat train train train and sleep sleep sleep. what are your stats?

Don't make ignorant statements, many PH's out there can do great things if used properly, hell Superdrol beats Dbol hands down.

**gymnerd** · 06-13-2009, 09:08 PM

I would say no, because think about it isn't an mdrol or whatever ph stack the same thing as a dbol , or winni only cycle? You are shut down and feel like shit because you have 0 test in you body and face ED and gyno just the same as aas use. I really don't see how it will get you re body ready either, every new compound you take will have a different reaction to you.

**seriousmass** · 06-14-2009, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

I would say no, because think about it isn't an mdrol or whatever ph stack the same thing as a dbol, or winni only cycle? You are shut down and feel like shit because you have 0 test in you body and face ED and gyno just the same as aas use. I really don't see how it will get you re body ready either, every new compound you take will have a different reaction to you.

and thats why he would be running the PH while ON CYCLE. aka with test, which means no libido sides. getting the bigger picture yet?

**HIITB$** · 06-14-2009, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

and thats why he would be running the PH while ON CYCLE. aka with test, which means no libido sides. getting the bigger picture yet?

thats not what he was asking at all! He wasnt asking about doing the two together

**gymnerd** · 06-14-2009, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

and thats why he would be running the PH while ON CYCLE. aka with test, which means no libido sides. getting the bigger picture yet?

Not sure what this is about but thats not what he is asking and I stand by my statement.

**DEE151** · 06-14-2009, 09:59 AM

i am on test e and eq and starting tomorrow its going to be my 4th wk on my cycle and tomorrow i am going to throw a PH in it, i am going to throw 1-T Tren in with my cycle cant waight i herd good things about it.

**laduem88** · 06-14-2009, 12:24 PM

honestly i would do a ph if i where you. start off with h-drol or havoc and you will get great results from that, then if you want you could run another ph cycle or then just go with the classic test e cycle to start off

**Twist** · 06-14-2009, 02:32 PM

(if talking about running a ph right before a steroid cycle) I don't think it is wise to do a ph cycle prior to a steroid cycle because then you are shutting down your natty for a very long period of time.
(if asking whether ph wil give you sides like steroids ) I think ph are a good start and you should also have proper pct drugs on hand. I got no sides at all from ph but get many sides from real steroids. also I think question should be more like: will ph give me a feel for how my body will respond to a test only cycle? because ph will do nothing and feel nothing like tren will.

Ph should be used with a pct and also should be maximized before any aas are used. I think people plateau very quickly on ph.

**HIITB$** · 06-14-2009, 02:40 PM

I think he's asking if since he wants to use AAS that he should start with w PH cycle before hand? The way in interpreted it anyhow, if the OP would come in and clear it up that would help lol

Anyways i think starting with a PH is a great way to gauge how you're going to act and build your confidence to doing AAS. Most PH's are really just oral AAS anyhow (Havoc, P-plex, Superdrol) thats are all really potent AAS with a PH label on them to be honest. I also think its NOT necessary and that a simple test run is fine for starters but thats going off of things like you've already been training steady for years, diet is in check and you understand how to reach whatever your goals may be without anabolics
my .02

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 06-14-2009, 03:23 PM

for those of you asking about my stats, I am 5'9.5, 175lbs, about 10-11% bodyfat. 23 years old (24 in a few months) and have been training seriously for five years. I have tested my body through many many different diets as well. I only eat clean I basically have the appetite of a sumo wrestler so not eating enough is the least of my problems whether I cut or bulk.

honestly after reading the responses, I dont think im going to do a ph cycle first since it is probably just a waste of money if anything when I can do test-e and nolva (pct) instead

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 06-14-2009, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by HIITB$

I think he's asking if since he wants to use AAS that he should start with w PH cycle before hand? The way in interpreted it anyhow, if the OP would come in and clear it up that would help lol

yes thats exactly what I meant. sorry for the confusion guys. I just stumbled across this site recently and really love the knowledge and help you guys bring. 110% better than bb.com where you cant get a serious question answered by anyone bc all they want to do is flame everyone