My first teste/dbol cycle : Revised

**Ca$tro** · 06-14-2009, 06:02 PM

Hello once again Trojans,

First of all folks i would like to thank all of you in the community for all your replies and ongoing help with my first steroid cycle.

I have put thought, time and research into my first cycle but i am only going to start my cycle once i have everything i need to run my cycle properly.

Ok here is some info as stated before all constructive criticism is welcomed and if any one has anything to add please do:

My current Training Regime is as follows, i tend to train 1 hr mon-fri:

Mon - Cardio and Abs
Tue - Chest and Bi
Wed - Legs and Traps
Thurs - Shoulders and Tri
Fri - Back and Abs
Sat - Cardio only

My Diet is as follows:

1. Before gym 10am: Oats/ 10 egg whites with glutamine/ Coffee.
2. After gym 1pm: ProPeptide (protein shake) with glutamine.
3. About 3pm: Chicken breast with brown rice.
4. About 5pm: 2 cans of tuna with sweetcorn.
5. About 7pm: Meal replacement with an apple.
6. About 10pm: Chicken breast with brown rice again.
7. About 1am: Meal Replacement and an apple.
8. Before bed: Peptide shake and vitc/calcium/fish oil tablets.
No Carbs/Dairy after 7pm.

My Stats are as follow:

AGE: 31
HEIGHT: 6ft
WEIGHT: 94Kg
BF%: Never measured dont know how to!
DIET: as above
TRAINING: as above
PREVIOUS CYCLES: none
GOALS: to become a trojan, not interested in competing; it's for my selfishness
PCT KNOWLEDGE : as declared above and some reading over past weeks.

My Revised CYCLE

Week 1-2: Nolva 10mg (ED)/ LDEX .25mg (ED)

Week 3-6: Nolva 10mg (ED)/ LDEX .25mg (ED)/ DBOL 30mg (ED)/
TestE 500mg (PW)(250mg Mon Morn/ 250mg Thurs Eve)

Week 7-14: Nolva 10mg (ED)/ LDEX .25mg (ED)/ TestE 500mg(250mg x2)/
HCG 500iu (PW) (250iu x 2)

Week 15-16: Clean???????????????

Week 17-20: Option 1

Day01: Clomid 200mg/ Nolva 60mg
2 -11: Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 40mg
12-21: Clomid 50mg/ Nolva 20mg

Week 17-20: Option 2

Day01: Clomid 300mg/ Nolva 20mg/ .25mg LDEX
2-30: Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 20mg/ .25mg LDEX
31-37: Nolva 20mg/.25mg LDEX

I still have a few questions that i need to get clarified so your help would be appreciated grately.

If i am using DBOL in this cycle do i need to use LIV52? if so how much and where? Would i also need milk thistle?

What size needles are the best to use as i have had varying feedback on this?

What else is there that i need to include/exclude ppl????

I believe i should be getting my blood test done before/during/after my cycle is this correct?

Is it a good idea to stack dbol with teste for my first cycle?

Is there anything else that i may need to consider before beginning my cycle, anything else i may need to purchase to aid my recovery and help retain muscle?

If on gear is sex still ok, or is it, so to spk a loss in testosterone?

Does taking gear effect my chances of impregnating the females?

I need some sound advice hence asking the pro's...

Thanks for all your help Trojans

Ca$tro

**Zookl** · 06-14-2009, 06:43 PM

If this is your first cycle, only run the Dbol by itself or the test by itself. Don't do both. If your body reacts you won't know what you are having problems with. Also, why are you running the Nolva right away? Are you gyno prone??

**RANA** · 06-14-2009, 07:19 PM

Too many meal replacements/shakes. Eat food!
It almost looks like your running your PCT before you even start your cycle. Dont use nolva, l-dex unless needed.

Use one compound for your 1st cycle but if you must you could always use the dbol as a kicker.

**Berserker88** · 06-14-2009, 08:58 PM

Hey Ca$tro, I'm planning on running a similar cycle to you in a few weeks.

Check out my thread - http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4628407

Some of the replys mite help you.

***T-MOS*** · 06-14-2009, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Zookl

If this is your first cycle, only run the Dbol by itself or the test by itself. Don't do both. If your body reacts you won't know what you are having problems with. Also, why are you running the Nolva right away? Are you gyno prone??

did you REALLY just suggest here that he run Dbol by itself????

NEVER run dbol by itself !!!

**lovbyts** · 06-14-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Zookl

If this is your first cycle, only run the Dbol by itself or the test by itself. Don't do both. If your body reacts you won't know what you are having problems with. Also, why are you running the Nolva right away? Are you gyno prone??

??? not a good idea. Test by itself is fine but NOT Dbol.....

Agreed with to many meal replacements. Nothing like real food except for the post workout quick protein/whey.

**sigman roid** · 06-15-2009, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Zookl

If this is your first cycle, only run the Dbol by itself or the test by itself. Don't do both. If your body reacts you won't know what you are having problems with. Also, why are you running the Nolva right away? Are you gyno prone??

Do not run dbol on its own!!!

**james21** · 06-15-2009, 02:16 AM

dbol on its own.... in my opinion is better than running some pro hormones on their own, but still if your gonna do it do it and pin.... youll never regret it

**xo3et** · 06-15-2009, 03:35 AM

Your diet seems to be on the right path but you need to put more REAL food in and cut back the shakes.

Also be good to see a pic to determine some kind of BF%.

**init** · 06-15-2009, 04:10 AM

I understand about why it is important to use caution with orals but this interesting about the lack of some of serious the side effects with roids in general

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

**lovbyts** · 06-15-2009, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by james21

dbol on its own.... in my opinion is better than running some pro hormones on their own, but still if your gonna do it do it and pin.... youll never regret it

Apples to oranges but it's a bad idea to run most any real steroid without Test unless you dont care about ED...

**leopold35** · 06-15-2009, 09:04 AM

ED!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhh..........

Wife wouldn't appreciate a voluntary case of ed......

**leopold35** · 06-15-2009, 09:07 AM

Why are you running Nolva and L dex at the beginning? I'm new to this as well and am just curious. I was under the impression that the Ldex was to be on hand during the cycle to remedy bloat and early signs of Gyno; the Nolva/Clomid was to be used for PCT?????

**PaHHaN** · 06-15-2009, 02:18 PM

Never use Dboll by itself and if you do you will have some strength gain and size but you'll loose all of it very quickly.... very quickly it's just worthless

**Ca$tro** · 06-15-2009, 06:51 PM

Right PPL,

I feel like the questions regarding the cycle have been over looked???

Just to clarify things up a little, I am not intending on running dbol alone, just as a kick start to the cycle!! Is this wise as a first time user?? some say yes others ney!!!

Regarding the Nolva and Ldex, starting in the first few weeks and continuing throughout the cycle was recommended by more than one person in my last thread... helps with the sides...

I would love to be able to run a 12 week course of test/ 4 weeks on dbol and the right PCT to complete my cycle... however what is the correct PCT??? Can anyone help list what i need for my cycle in corresponding weeks, as i said earlier i would rather have everything before i start the cycle...

How do yah know if your gyno prone??? no family history???
PPL can you please help answer some of my questions or help compile a list of what is required for me on my first cycle, more so PCT...

Thankyou for all your ongoing help Trojans

**RANA** · 06-15-2009, 07:00 PM