Important one guys,changing from sust to test mid cycle?

[eyeothetiger]

Hi guys, hope you're all well. Right I'll try and make this as simple as poss...

I'm currently doing my first injectable cycle which is as follows:

Weeks 1-4 40mg dbol/day
Weeks 1-10 Sust 500mg/week

I'm about to order some more gear as originally planned to do 250mg sust/week but on advice from here went with 500mg/weel from the start.

My question is can I change from injecting sust to injecting test e at week 4/5?. If so I think I'd like to as to me test e would give me a bigger bang for my buck?.

I went with sust because it was recommended by numerous people but after reading more I can see that maybe I would be better off with just the one ester from test e.

My only other option here would be to combine the sust with another test or decca?. I have enough sust to last me for the completion of the ten week cycle if I drop it's dose to 250mg to go with the half and half ratio that seems to be a good rule of thumb on here.

Maybe you can see what I mean about keeping it simple, I done my best :-).

Any help greatly appreciated, as footnote I am finding the sust no problem at all injecting/in general.

[Roshambo]

Morning, First lets see some stats.

Age
Height
Weight
BF%
Yrs. Training
Diet

Second, Switching from Sus to Test is not an issue, I personally dislike sus, Test E can be pinned like this.
200mg/ml 1cc E3.5D.
Yes, You will definitely see more bang for your buck.

[eyeothetiger]

30, 5'10", 170lb's (start of this cycle), very little bf, 3/4 years training and diet is in good order, if it wasn't I would only be cheating myself hey.

I know my weight is not great before you say, I am naturally of slim build and when started training I was around 135 lb's. I have gained 35 lbs solid but I know myself and that I needed that push as regardless of how I eat gaining is not easy for me. Upto now I had done two dbol only cycles (I know,silly) and in time I've seen that yeah, gains soon go hence my recent choices to inject.

[Roshambo]

Hopefully you understand the risk of running a D-Bol only cycle. Did you run a PCT upon completion of those cycles? How long has it been since your last D-Bol only cycle?
Also, I am also 5'10'' and I weight 205 12% BF, I can still gain thru diet and exercise/workout regime. to say that diet will not take you any further is like saying that you are using gear just for the fun of it. If your Diet is not correct then you WILL NOT GROW as much or at all as you would with a proper diet.
Also when you ask for help, and someone asks for stats and diet is one of those stats asked for, typically saying that diet is in good order is not what we are looking for, your saying by that statement is that you really don't want any help, as I am sure that your Diet can use some tweaking.

[eyeothetiger]

Here is my diet and I am looking for help, sorry if same across if I wasn't as I am grateful for all input.

CLEAN BULKING DIET

Meal 1: Pro/Carb 8am
10 Egg Whites,1 Scoop Of Whey Protein,1 cup oatmeal,2 slices cereal bread.
38g protein / 41g carbs / 4g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat 10am
Lean Protein (meat),green veggies,115g (cooked weight) potatoes,rice or pasta.
42g protein / 81g carbs / 15g fat

Meal 3: pre-workout 12noon
1 1/2 Scoops Whey Protein / 60g (cooked weight) brown rice.
30g protein / 54g carbs / 0g fat

1pm workout

Post workout whey protein shake

Meal 4: Pro/Fat
1.5 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp light Mayonnaise, Veggies+ 75g (cooked weight) potatoes,rice or pasta.
45g protein / 54g carbs / 13g Fat

Meal 5: Pro/Carb
Chicken Breast, 3/4 cup Brown Rice (uncooked weight)
42g protein / 47g carbs / 3g Fat

Meal 6: PPWO
Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 1/2 cup Brown Rice (uncooked weight)
38g protein / 75g carbs / 3g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat
Lean Protein of your choice, 1.5 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
38g protein / 4g carbs / 14g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed
2 1/2 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil
45g protein / 3g carbs / 16g Fat

Approx Totals as 320 grams protein, 360 grams Carbs, and 70 grams of fat per day and roughly 3000 calories

[eyeothetiger]

I did run pct for both dbols only yeah, it was 3 months between the end of the last one and the start of this my first injectable cycle.

[eyeothetiger]

Roshambo??

[Roshambo]

Gotta go to work, i'm sure that some of the vets will chime in on this. to the looks you diet does seem ok, IMO. Considering your use of D-Bol i wouldn't use Deca for a little bit. A test E only cycle would work good for you, and I would recommend quitting SUS and switching over to Test E, only one easter to deal with and more bang for your buck.
Altho test+deca = a good bulking cycle. my fav at least.

[eyeothetiger]

Hi guys, responses seem thin on the ground today hence my new thread.

I am currently on the following cycle:

Weeks 1-4 40mg Dbol/day
Weeks 1-10 500mg Sust/week

I am changing this slightly to:

Weeks 1-4 40mg dbol/day
Weeks 1-5 500mg Sust/week
Weeks 6-10/12 500mg Test E/week

I am thinking of making this change to basically get a bigger bang for my buck with the single ester. My question is how I best switch from the Sust to the Test E whilst keeping the Test in my system as high/constant as possible?.

Do I taper down the Sust or just switch?

Any help really appreciated...

[seriousmass]

That's a really, really dumb idea. You definitely will be getting NO "bang for your buck" by doing that.

A GREAT way of getting the most bang for your buck is to inject the sustanon every other day (4 times a week) to take advantage of the multiple short esters...

Stick with the sustanon, and stop being impatient.

If you switch to Test-E now it will take 5 weeks for it to build up in your blood-steams.. aka by the end of week 10 it will be just kicking in.. and you'll be concluding the cycle.

You chose sust @ the beginning. Do not sway from the original plan.

[gordongecko74]

agreed

[RAF3070]

Sust kicks in really quick with me at beginning of week 5, and thats just using 500mg a week, Sun and Wed.

As Mass said, just use it eod, I usually go Mon, Wed, Fri then again Mon and so on..

Wouldnt bother with the test E now...

[Critical Mass]

I was wondering about that too. It can be done,people do it all the time with no problem. Im gonna do the switch myself. Since there allready is enanthate ester in my sust it shouldnt be so hard. I was thinking adding half of the original dose the first week,then for the second its full dose enan,and I will continue with the sust for 2-3 weeks until the enan is working fully. Hope this made any sense. Bump for more answer to do this correctly!

[eyeothetiger]

Thanks guys, I stand correct and rather pissed off. Unfortunately this is what happens when I listen to some people on forums hey. Just been in touch with source and sure changing to 2nd lot of Sust to complete will be no probs. By the way RAF3070, loving that avatar, nice action and see you're a man with taste.

[chuckt12345]

the long esters in sust have already built up by wk 5 so when he takes e he doesnt have to wait another 5 wks to kick in. Nothing wrong with switching if thats all you have, i personall ywouldnt do it if its just by choice though.

[seriousmass]

the long esters in sust have already built up by wk 5 so when he takes e he doesnt have to wait another 5 wks to kick in. Nothing wrong with switching if thats all you have, i personall ywouldnt do it if its just by choice though.

the long esters have built up in MINIMAL amounts. Usually sustanon blends only have about 100mg of long-estered test in it.

Switching from sust to test-e now would be no where NEAR ideal.

Not to mention the savage fluctuations in blood-levels it would create...

[chuckt12345]

didnt say ideal i said he can if its all he has.

[seriousmass]

didnt say ideal i said he can if its all he has.

....

Just been in touch with source and sure changing to 2nd lot of Sust to complete will be no probs.

[eyeothetiger]

You guys do make me chuckle sometimes :-), definitely plenty of test flying round here raaaaaa. Well I have the choice of staying with the Sust or switching so staying with Sust is what I'm gonna do. Seriousmass and Chuck, in your minds which is better for bulking, Test E or Sust, looking for definitive answer if poss and it's not easy to find.

Also once I've finished this cycle I will be looking naturally for my next cycle to to be injectable aswell. After pct and break if I was to use Sust again would it be as effective the 2nd time around or should I up the dose or look at using another test?. My goal is to bulk and I want whatever I'm using to kick in quite quick but at same for it to do the job well for duration of cycle.

[chuckt12345]

IMO i find test alone sucks for me if i want to bulk or get alot bigger. I see know diffrence in my size with diffrent tests,, its all about how i eat on cycle. Id prb try a singel ester on your second go around and see if you like that over sust,, id also stack something if your up to it.

[eyeothetiger]

Chuck which ester would you say go with based on my goal and what I've said?. Also I've been recommended to do 10 week cycle this time around, could I push it to 12?, meaning I gain for extra 2 weeks?. So I know once and for all, are all test esters the same in terms of potency?.

Sorry for all the questions but it's cool to catch you on and always like your advice.

[chuckt12345]

if i had to choose it be test e,, i like prop but this one im on right now is so painful im pretty sure it will be my last
def run it to 12,, or even 14
prop has the most test mg ratio to the ester than any other unless you doin suspension whish is straight up

[eyeothetiger]

Cool, thanks for that. Think will go with Test E 500mg/week for next cycle, like simplicity of it and also fact that if I want to I can inject every 5 days as far as I know, that correct?. How much of a break should I be having between end of this current cycle and start of next one or can I just continue with the Test E on from the Sust?.

[c-Z]

Don't inject every 5 days. INJECT every 3.5 days. 2x a week. And as far as sust goes if you were injecting 2x a week with that I wouldn't take a break. If you injected monday sust. Then do test e thursday.

[eyeothetiger]

chevrolet sorry fella I'm confused, do you mean I would just go from Sust to Test E without a break?. I'm no expert but I'm aware that by week 12 of my current Sust cycle my test levels will be very well built up so is it a case of just continue from there?.