Deciding between specific drugs after reading all the profiles of them on here.

[Researching]

OK, I've followed instructions and read the profiles of the steriods.
I've taken time over the last couple weeks here to read comments and they are all over the place for the same drugs. One person says they suck and other say the same one is fantastic. LOL.

Here's my deal.

I used to play college football. I've done all the size and bulking I'd ever want to do back then. I'm done with that type of working out.

I only want to find a product that will help me build lean mass, while I lose body fat with daily Cardio workouts and toning weight workouts.

Based on profiles here I've narrowed it down to Anavar, Primobolan and Test. Prop. based solely on the fact that they seem to have the lowest level of side affects which is also a focus of mine.

Seems to be a lot of dissention on the real benefits of taking Anavar and Primo though. Get the feeling it may not be worth it. Some saying it's ineffective. What's the definition of ineffective though? Does that mean it's not as good as stronger steroids or does it mean that it's no better than the trash you can buy in a GNC? I mean Anavar or Primo must have a stronger effect on building your physique than anything over the counter right????

Also I've seen many claiming that Test. Prop is just too painful a cycle to go on and that people looking for an entry cutting drug with lower side effects should go with Test. Enth.?

How can one injectable be more painful than another?

Anyway, I'm looking for some clarification here.

I'm 6'1 250, down from 300 and looking to go all the way down to 220.
Im at a point where I want to stop just doing the cardio and start weight lifting again. My focus is lean mass, low side affects and something that will help recovery time between workouts.

Between Anavar, Primo, Test Prop and Test Enth which would any of you prefer?

Thanks for any input.

[johnnybigguns]

Do you know your BF%?
You should work on your diet and get down to 15% BF then worry about steriods.
You should of never stopped weight training there was no reason too.

[_CrossroadS_]

None.

Cardio, lifting weights, a slight carb deficiency, and clean diet will get you there.

How old are you? BF%?

[Researching]

Do you know your BF%?
You should work on your diet and get down to 15% BF then worry about steriods.
You should of never stopped weight training there was no reason too.

Honestly it was a matter of time bro.

You can't take any risks with your job in these times and I've been working some LONG hours. I basically have time for a 45 minute slot for working out per day and in the beginning I thought the cardio was more important than the weight training with the sole focus being fat loss at that time.

[Researching]

None.

Cardio, lifting weights, a slight carb deficiency, and clean diet will get you there.

How old are you? BF%?

None?

Come on man.

I realize it can be done without taking anything but I'm looking for that extra kick to maximize my efforts here. That's why I'm here. That's why everyone is here right?

[johnnybigguns]

You need to be training properly and for a good period of time before even thinking about the use of steriods.
If you can't train proper or diet proper don't waste your time.

[Researching]

You need to be training properly and for a good period of time before even thinking about the use of steriods.
If you can't train proper or diet proper don't waste your time.

Dieting very well.
Been training cardio proper.
45 min. a day 6-7 days a week is how I lost the 50 pounds.
I now am making the commitment to add time to weight train.
Which is why I was asking the initial questions.

[inky-e]

None?

Come on man.

I realize it can be done without taking anything but I'm looking for that extra kick to maximize my efforts here. That's why I'm here. That's why everyone is here right?

Bro I used to weigh 330 lbs at 5'10"s..when I started my weight loss and excise program I started juicing at around 250 lbs...but my drive was so focused on achieving my goals that I worked out 2x a day for like 9 months straight..so I'm NOT gonna tell you DON'T juice....just as long as you put in the work and eat right ..you can juice and get the results you want. A simple test only at maybe 300 mg's a week for 10-12 weeks will do nicely...then pct and include clen in the pct and you'll get great results....

[Researching]

Bro I used to weigh 330 lbs at 5'10"s..when I started my weight loss and excise program I started juicing at around 250 lbs...but my drive was so focused on achieving my goals that I worked out 2x a day for like 9 months straight..so I'm NOT gonna tell you DON'T juice....just as long as you put in the work and eat right ..you can juice and get the results you want. A simple test only at maybe 300 mg's a week for 10-12 weeks will do nicely...then pct and include clen in the pct and you'll get great results....

Thanks man..... I was beginning to wonder if there was some rule here that you had to talk new posters down off the steroid ledge before you could be allowed to talk openly with them on the subject. LOL.

You suggested Test.

Have any insight on the Test Prop v.s. Test Enth question?
Test Prop. has the lowest side effects but I've read a number of posts saying that it's just way too painful an injection? Those posts seemed to suggest Test Enth. instead. Again the main deal for me is lowest side effects and a drug that aids lean mass rather than bulk.

Have you used either?

[RANA]

Thanks man..... I was beginning to wonder if there was some rule here that you had to talk new posters down off the steroid ledge before you could be allowed to talk openly with them on the subject. LOL.

You suggested Test.

Have any insight on the Test Prop v.s. Test Enth question?
Test Prop. has the lowest side effects but I've read a number of posts saying that it's just way too painful an injection? Those posts seemed to suggest Test Enth. instead. Again the main deal for me is lowest side effects and a drug that aids lean mass rather than bulk.

Have you used either?

Has always you will here for your 1st cycle go with Test E. One of the big reasons is you only inject twice a week with prop you should inject ED some go EOD. But you would have to inject in numerous areas with prop and with Test E you can stick to Test E

[_CrossroadS_]

No, there is no rule. Just a lot of people that would be wasting their money, risking serious health related consequences, and otherwise ruining their lives by taking drugs. I'd rather err on the side of caution when giving advice until the person shows that they are prepared mentally and physically to get the most out of AAS. Based on the info you gave in the beginning, I didn't think you were.

Still haven't posted age and BF%. these are more important than your height and weight, as you could be jacked or a pile of blub.

We also understand that you are now going to be able to commit time and effort to weight training. From experience, of myself and others, juice will have a much greater effect on trained muscles.

I've used Prop and Enth, and either can be used for cutting or bulking - diet and training determine weight loss/gain.

As far as pain, both of mine were absolutely painless...but I brewed them myself. Pain is part of the gain when buying from someone else...




http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=161591

- this was me 5 years ago...had someone busted my chops instead of just giving me what I wanted and recommending a cycle, I wouldn't have wasted money on drugs I didn't need at that time. Time will tell if doing this caused any permanent damage. Luckily I got PCT right, and blood tests showed no lingering affects at that time.

Point is, I'd rather someone not like me for not agreeing with them, and see another side of their situation, and maybe learn something, than like me because I told them what they want to hear.