How do you know if you are "Shut Down"???

[fergie123]

I was wondering if on Anavar at 40mgs/ed . . . How do you know if or approximately when, does one get shut down? If not, is Clomid necessary? Thanks...

[ninesecz]

As far as shut down, most AAS shut you down within a few weeks. the body senses that the compound of test is coming from somewhere so the body stops making it! With anavar being so mild I do ot think 100% shut down would happen during a short cycle. Nolvadex will defintely be a good thing to run at the end just to be absolutley shure!

[c-Z]

Within a few weeks it will shut you down? Not what I have heard.... You wont get shut down partially.........

[Mafiusu]

i have a study here somewhere showing anavar even at 10mg has a negative effect on hpta. ill try and find it.

[ninesecz]

Yes, I did not say that Anavar would not shut you down, I was basically saying that It is not going to do th damage of D-bol or straight test! and because most only run it for 6-8 weeks you could almost get away without running test where the longer 12 week cycl drugs most have to be ran with testosterone !

[DSM4Life]

[c-Z]

How would it not do the damage... If your natural test is shut down... its shut down... it doesnt get like partially shut down.. Like your body dodesnt decide to only shut down 50% of your test

[Test247]

when ur balls are small and squishy

[ninesecz]

How would it not do the damage... If your natural test is shut down... its shut down... it doesnt get like partially shut down.. Like your body doesnt decide to only shut down 50% of your test

Actually it can! Your body depending on the outside forces can adjust to how severe the outside force is! something mild like anavar may just slow test production.
Test is the only compound I am 100% certian shuts down test production completely. others affect HPTA but fdoes not mean it has totally stopped all production of natural testosterone
HAve you really ever heard of anyone getting bloodwork back and there free test being 0?? no it is usually low like 130, 330 but the body is still making something

[illwillogical]

Actually it can! Your body depending on the outside forces can adjust to how severe the outside force is! something mild like anavar may just slow test production.
Test is the only compound I am 100% certian shuts down test production completely. others affect HPTA but fdoes not mean it has totally stopped all production of natural testosterone
HAve you really ever heard of anyone getting bloodwork back and there free test being 0?? no it is usually low like 130, 330 but the body is still making something

That makes sense too me, I have never heard of someone having a zero level. But I'm no expert in this, I would like to see someone with well documented bloodwork to test the theory.

[T-MOS]

This seems to be an ONGOING debate..

whether or not you can be partially shut down.... I for ONE, don't think there is a partial shut down, I think its like a light switch with NO dimmer. its either on or OFF, and even if there is, think about it.....

depending on age a male produces about 70 mgs/week of test... on the high end

SO, lets say, for argument sake, that you can be partially shut down..... Do you really want to deal with only having 20 mgs/week of test instead of 70???

I say NOOOOOOO

but, thats just MHO

[spooledup]

Actually it can! Your body depending on the outside forces can adjust to how severe the outside force is! something mild like anavar may just slow test production.
Test is the only compound I am 100% certian shuts down test production completely. others affect HPTA but fdoes not mean it has totally stopped all production of natural testosterone
HAve you really ever heard of anyone getting bloodwork back and there free test being 0?? no it is usually low like 130, 330 but the body is still making something

This is correct.

This seems to be an ONGOING debate..

whether or not you can be partially shut down.... I for ONE, don't think there is a partial shut down, I think its like a light switch with NO dimmer. its either on or OFF, and even if there is, think about it.....

depending on age a male produces about 70 mgs/week of test... on the high end

SO, lets say, for argument sake, that you can be partially shut down..... Do you really want to deal with only having 20 mgs/week of test instead of 70???

I say NOOOOOOO

but, thats just MHO

This is incorrect.

[T-MOS]

This is correct.



This is incorrect.

Explain then !!!!

[MACKATTACK]

I am taking 50mg of Var a day right now and I am on my last week and i tried to bang this girl last night and it was TOUGH!!! i eventually had to jerk off hardcore and blow it on her tities. If I had to guess anything I am def "partially" shut down........if I was fully shut down my cock would be a poor excuse for a good f*ck since it would be like a wet noodle 24/7.........

(sorry for the vulgarness, lol)

[fergie123]

Thanks for the imput. If it has only been a week, I guess one wouldn't know yet. Seeing how someone was partially down at 50 and Im at 40 likely going to bump it, I think clomid at 50mgs ed for a week, week 1/2 should be ok?

[MACKATTACK]

I would try for 2-3 weeks of Clomid at 50mgs a day.......

[SilverTest]

I was wondering if on Anavar at 40mgs/ed . . . How do you know if or approximately when, does one get shut down? If not, is Clomid necessary? Thanks...

very simple , you will feel like SHIT and have the symptoms of low testosterone if you are not taking a exogenous test source and your own endo test is shutdown.

capiche ??

[Dancer]

As far as I know the natty test levels do shut down but slowly... to explain

If you ever have had a free test level blood test done post cycle you might have a very low test level for example I recall on a scale of 241-800ish I had a 198 one time...

I have known many people here and on other boards get thier test levels tested none has been a zero.

I do think after many years of being on you might hit a zero I just have not seen it.

Having said all that my nuts where so small one cycle that I seen pebbles on the side of the road larger.

[Bio-Active]

very simple , you will feel like SHIT and have the symptoms of low testosterone if you are not taking a exogenous test source and your own endo test is shutdown.

capiche ??

X2 you will feel like shit!

[Mafiusu]

Test is the only compound I am 100% certian shuts down test production completely. others affect HPTA but fdoes not mean it has totally stopped all production of natural testosterone

what do you mean.. deca for one is more suppressive than test

[DSM4Life]

How about this ?

Stop giving your opinions and find some medical FACTS !

[fergie123]

Thanks for the input. So If I wanted to counter these effects, given this is starting the second week, could i throw in some androgel (test cream) to help keep it up? I don't want to stick and I want to keep things in moderation. After a week I have already gone from 193 to 200 lbs and am looking pretty strong (and actually am) but I'm sure most of that is water with creatine and also I dont drink 5 nights a week anymore. Do yall think this would help out enough? Thanks fellas

[fergie123]

bump . . . Last question, thanks

[chuckt12345]

hows your energy and sex drive?

[fergie123]

right now fine. . . only day 9 though