First cycle

[bigwelsh]

Hi guys, I need some advice. I've been reading as much as I can now for a few weeks, and don't want to spend anymore before knowing exactly what my cycle will include, so i'm still learning. I've read about the different testosterones and have opted to go for test prop because it's more pure then cyp and eth. I'm not sure if i should stack this with dbol or tren? Any suggestions?

Many thanks

[strength_addict14]

might try a long acting test only cycle like enth or cyp

[strength_addict14]

Dbol kickstart for 4 weeks would be ok

[ninesecz]

Where do you get it is more pure! and what do you mean by that! All test is the same and it depends on the concentration. Only thing different with E and Cyp is a longer esther. Do you really want to shoot ED or EOD on your first cycle That is up to you but going from not pinning yourself to doing a total of 35-50 injections over the course of the next 10-12 weeks is going to be a lot

[-Ender-]

Please read:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742
This contains the recomended first cycle

Please post your stats for accurate advice.
AGE
BF%
WEIGHT
HEIGHT
GOALS

[chuckt12345]

Where do you get it is more pure! and what do you mean by that! All test is the same and it depends on the concentration. Only thing different with E and Cyp is a longer esther. Do you really want to shoot ED or EOD on your first cycle That is up to you but going from not pinning yourself to doing a total of 35-50 injections over the course of the next 10-12 weeks is going to be a lot

he means prop has more test after ester is released than the other 2

[strength_addict14]

Where do you get it is more pure! and what do you mean by that! All test is the same and it depends on the concentration. Only thing different with E and Cyp is a longer esther. Do you really want to shoot ED or EOD on your first cycle That is up to you but going from not pinning yourself to doing a total of 35-50 injections over the course of the next 10-12 weeks is going to be a lot

He is talking about the weight of the ester bro.

[bigwelsh]

So something like this:

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day (split
Milk Thistle 3caps per day with food

take test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

splitting the dbol up throughout the day, to keep blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains?

I do have some m1t- what is the difference between this and dbol please? I know m1t is a ph but how does that differ from dbol and could i take m1t instead of the dbol? If so how would the results differ?

PCT:

tamoxifen and clomid? how much and when?

[-Ender-]

You're doing very well, and thank you for reading the link.
Please post your stats before going any further.
AGE
BF%
WEIGHT
HEIGHT
GOALS

[-Ender-]

You're only 20 arn't you....?

[-Ender-]

[QUOTE SMAN12b
Educate B4 U Medicate


at 18, you have more than enough hormones running through your body to give you quality gains IF and only IF you are dedicated to the proper diet and training. Steroids at your age can do more harm than good and could possible affect your HPTA for the rest of your life. Please wait another 3-4 years and use that time to perfect your diet and training
[/QUOTE]

Does this sound familiar?? It was two years ago.

[bigwelsh]

Yeh...some time ago lol

I'm now 21, 5ft 10ish, 184pounds, bf about 9% last time i checked. I do play rugby too.

Goals- around 20lbs of solid muscle and strength.

Thanks for the help guys

[strength_addict14]

Well make sure you run a good pct if you decide to cycle. The nolva and clomid you have planned will do.
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

[bigwelsh]

would i run the nolva and clomid together an straight after i finish the test?

Thanks

[T-MOS]

[QUOTE SMAN12b
Educate B4 U Medicate


at 18, you have more than enough hormones running through your body to give you quality gains IF and only IF you are dedicated to the proper diet and training. Steroids at your age can do more harm than good and could possible affect your HPTA for the rest of your life. Please wait another 3-4 years and use that time to perfect your diet and training

Does this sound familiar?? It was two years ago.[/QUOTE]

WOW you dug up my old identity.....LOLOLOL

YEP still applies

[strength_addict14]

Run them together starting 14 days after your last enanthate injection.

[T-MOS]

Yeh...some time ago lol

I'm now 21, 5ft 10ish, 184pounds, bf about 9% last time i checked. I do play rugby too.

Goals- around 20lbs of solid muscle and strength.

Thanks for the help guys

Those goals are still within your NATURAL REALM, so DIET is what you need to worry about.

at 5'10 ISH....you should be able to get to and maintain 200lbs ISH !!! without steroids.. after you can get to and maintain that weight for at least a YEAR, THEN come looking for ways to break past your natural potential but NOT BEFORE......

[strength_addict14]

Does this sound familiar?? It was two years ago.

WOW you dug up my old identity.....LOLOLOL

YEP still applies[/QUOTE]

So was that when you were your mild mannered alter ego?

[bigwelsh]

So something like this:

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day (split
Milk Thistle 3caps per day with food

take test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

splitting the dbol up throughout the day, to keep blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains?

I do have some m1t- what is the difference between this and dbol please? I know m1t is a ph but how does that differ from dbol and could i take m1t instead of the dbol? If so how would the results differ?

PCT:

tamoxifen and clomid? how much and when?

[TITANIUM]

Stick with the D-bol for now.After reading your stats and these posts,I would recommend the test E cycle.You need to understand the longterm effects of cycling when your too young.It seems that this is a "HUGE" problem I see posted on this forum.I wouldn't cycle until 25, but that's me.

[bigwelsh]

Ok. Would something like m1t and 4-ad, 4 weeks on/4 off be ok? Taken with milk thistle, then as for pct androbolix for 4weeks straight after finishing the m1t and 4ad?