Need Help Vets!!

[gamemania]

My stats are:

Age: 21
Weight: 165lb
Height: 5'7
No previous cycles
BF % : 12-15%

At this point in time, i am midway through week 11 of my test e cycle. I have been taking 500mg/wk split between two doses. Basically, nothing has happened for me. I tried my best to be patient till week 6 came along, and since then there have been no improvements whatsoever. I cant think of ne reason as to why this is not working for me.

This is what my diet looks like:

Meal 1: 1 cup oats + protein shake

Meal 2: 1 can tuna + 2 slices brown bread

Meal 3: Rice/pasta + 7oz of beef/lamb/fish/chicken

Meal 4: 7oz beef/lamb/fish/chicken + nuts

Meal 5: Protein shake (post w/out)

Meal 6: Rice/pasta + 7oz beef/lamb/fish/chicken

Meal 7: Half cup cottage cheese + 1tbsp peanut butter + 1 cup milk

* this amounts to about 320g protein per day. i have not done the carb and total calorie calculations, but i will tell you that i am eating enough that i was gaining enough weight to the point that i realised most of it was fat and i started reducing the amount of calories i consumed at the expense of my carb intake - protein always kept at 320g.

Training:

3 day split with 4 workout days/week so:

Tue - legs
Thurs - Chest, Bis, Tris
Sat - Back, Shoulders, Abs
Sun - legs
Tue - Chest, Bis, Tris
...and so on....

Took a blood test recently (taken midway through week 10) and these were the results:

total testosterone was > 1500ng/dl. From what ive read so far, this is probably less than it should be. But theres the pesky ">" sign to think about. should i request an exact value??

so what do you guys think? you might tell me that my diet and training has one or two little flaws in it, but surely that cannot account for virtually no gains right?? is my testosterone simply underdosed? am i just unresponsive to testosterone?....if it helps...my estradiol level is 5330pg/dl.

thanks for ne and all help

[skinnypunk]

I don't think you are unresponsive to testosterone .....Did you "feel" any different throughout those 11 weeks? Testosterone is what makes us men. More testosterone tends to make us feel like more of a man in every aspect (strength, sex drive, etc).

[gamemania]

thats the thing man, its my first cycle, so i din have ne thing to compare it to. but i really didnt feel ne thing bro. my sex drive went up a bit, but nothing in the form of uncontrollable erections etc. that i have heard about from other members on here. the main thing though, is there has been close to nothing in the form of strength gains! what little there has been can easily be explained by my increased food consumption, certainly doesnt feel like something extra is giving me a kick. that said, there definately is testosterone in my body as my blood test shows, but im thinking not enough?...also recently considered perhaps too much estrogen...maybe suppressing my gains...thats why i included my estradiol level. no gyno issues thus far though, just the odd dull pain every now and again around the nipple area, which ive basically ignored. also....im not on any anti estrogens.

[slugtastic]

mabey your gear was fake..........

[t-gunz]

you can't help him. he only wants vets. we are not good enough lol

[sigman roid]

if you never felt anything no strength gain or no gain in size i would have to say the gear is seriously under dosed or just bunk

[gamemania]

lol all help is welcome t-gunz, i was just hoping vets would reply to this because i gave specific values for my testosterone and estrogen levels. but hey, if u think you know wat ur talking about im all ears

[Dancer]

if you never felt anything no strength gain or no gain in size i would have to say the gear is seriously under dosed or just bunk

Yeap... At the point you are currently at you should have much higher labido to start with...

[jamyjamjr]

My stats are:

Age: 21
Weight: 165lb
Height: 5'7
No previous cycles
BF % : 12-15%

At this point in time, i am midway through week 11 of my test e cycle. I have been taking 500mg/wk split between two doses. Basically, nothing has happened for me. I tried my best to be patient till week 6 came along, and since then there have been no improvements whatsoever. I cant think of ne reason as to why this is not working for me.

This is what my diet looks like:

Meal 1: 1 cup oats + protein shake

Meal 2: 1 can tuna + 2 slices brown bread

Meal 3: Rice/pasta + 7oz of beef/lamb/fish/chicken

Meal 4: 7oz beef/lamb/fish/chicken + nuts

Meal 5: Protein shake (post w/out)

Meal 6: Rice/pasta + 7oz beef/lamb/fish/chicken

Meal 7: Half cup cottage cheese + 1tbsp peanut butter + 1 cup milk
your diet isn't horrible, but it can use some tweaking.. post this up in the diet section

* this amounts to about 320g protein per day. i have not done the carb and total calorie calculations, but i will tell you that i am eating enough that i was gaining enough weight to the point that i realised most of it was fat and i started reducing the amount of calories i consumed at the expense of my carb intake - protein always kept at 320g.

Training:

3 day split with 4 workout days/week so:

Tue - legs
Thurs - Chest, Bis, Tris
Sat - Back, Shoulders, Abs
Sun - legs
Tue - Chest, Bis, Tris
...and so on....
that's a horrible split
Took a blood test recently (taken midway through week 10) and these were the results:

total testosterone was > 1500ng/dl. From what ive read so far, this is probably less than it should be. But theres the pesky ">" sign to think about. should i request an exact value??

so what do you guys think? you might tell me that my diet and training has one or two little flaws in it, but surely that cannot account for virtually no gains right?? is my testosterone simply underdosed? am i just unresponsive to testosterone?....if it helps...my estradiol level is 5330pg/dl.

thanks for ne and all help

yea, there's a little work to be done here..
why not a five day split??? one muscle group a day

[Immortal Soldier]

How the hell do you do Chest/Tri/and biceps in one day and get results?

I give a day to each of those body parts.

[c-Z]

OMFG that is ridiuclous. Here is how my routine runs.

Mon-Chest
Tues-Back
Wed-Bis & Tris
Thur-Shoulders
Fri-Legs.

I've seen some do an extra day and split bis and tris mid week. but mostly see it somewhat similar to that. Chest/bis/tris is just overkill.

[gamemania]

so the general consensus is my split has issues. i shall fix that immediately...ill use ur split c-Z...thanks for that. none the less it surely isnt enough to cause effectively nil gains right? ne ideas based on my test level.... >1500ng/dl or maybe my estradiol...5330pg/dl?

ne chance im having suppressed gains as a result of overly high estrogen?

[ninesecz]

so the general consensus is my split has issues. i shall fix that immediately...ill use ur split c-Z...thanks for that. none the less it surely isnt enough to cause effectively nil gains right? ne ideas based on my test level.... >1500ng/dl or maybe my estradiol...5330pg/dl?

ne chance im having suppressed gains as a result of overly high estrogen?

Your levels should be well over 2500 on a 500mg wk cycle! normal for your age is probably around 650-1000 and that is with the body making 50mg Ew! Now multiply that 6-10 X !! Not sure but I also think you Estrogen numbers are a little high! Did you use any type of anti-estrogen while on! I would have to say your gear was 100% fake! Did you get it from any type of reliable source? Cause at week 5-8 you would for sure be able to tell you were on! You would not be guessing thats for sure! Not being stupid but you were not injecting with insulin syringes were you?

[gamemania]

Your levels should be well over 2500 on a 500mg wk cycle! normal for your age is probably around 650-1000 and that is with the body making 50mg Ew! Now multiply that 6-10 X !! Not sure but I also think you Estrogen numbers are a little high! Did you use any type of anti-estrogen while on! I would have to say your gear was 100% fake! Did you get it from any type of reliable source? Cause at week 5-8 you would for sure be able to tell you were on! You would not be guessing thats for sure! Not being stupid but you were not injecting with insulin syringes were you?

thanks for the reply dude, uve covered a lot of the issues i considered.

i was on no anti e during cycle basically just test e and dbol for the first four weeks (from the same source). my source seemed very reliably, he's a prominent bodybuilder in my area and quite a known dealer of gear which is why i din have ne reason for suspicion. i had a feeling estrogen might have been a little high although im not sure wat counts as too high. no gyno or ne thing though.

to add to this, my blood pressure has gone up, my LH and FSH levels are close to zero and the lipid levels have changed also, which all points to some testosterone in the gear i was given but perhaps just underdosed. the thing im not sure about though is that my test level was given as >1500ng/dl which strictly speaking means that there is more than 1500. how much more, i have no clue im going to have to clarify that with my doc come monday.

definately did not use insulin syringes im pretty sure i got all the injection aspects sorted...i use a standard 3cc syringe.

[gamemania]

bump