would it be harmful

[edgarrr831]

if i just start an all oral cycle. like anadrol at 50mg daily and anavar at 20mg daily and do this for about 6 weeks then start a pct?

[Big]

Welcome.
I wouldn't do it.
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
years training?

[edgarrr831]

right now im currently 23 im 6'1" and weight about 179-185. and i dont know my bodyfat but i've been training for about 7 months now

[higherdesire]

Ever looked into the diet section? there is some really great growth info there.

[peachfuzz]

what are you goals?

what is an estimation of bodyfat? 3%? or 30%?

x2 on not doing it, especially the one you have proposed.

[edgarrr831]

I would say I'm at 19%. and im trying to bulk up but i dont want to have too much water retention i want to bulk up and be lean thats why im taking anavar

[peachfuzz]

at 19% i would start by getting your diet in order.

without diet, steroids will take you nowhere.

i would also consider making cutting (while retaining as much lean body mass as possible) your priority.

do you have a meal plan that you follow or is it an eat as you go type of thing?

if you have one, post it up

if not, id start getting one together and then post it up.

i personally dont feel you are where you need to be to start cycling.

reasons
- 7 months of training puts you no where near where you should be
- bodyfat is too high
- the cycle you proposed

just my opinion

[edgarrr831]

at 19% i would start by getting your diet in order.

without diet, steroids will take you nowhere.

i would also consider making cutting (while retaining as much lean body mass as possible) your priority.

do you have a meal plan that you follow or is it an eat as you go type of thing?

if you have one, post it up

if not, id start getting one together and then post it up.

i personally dont feel you are where you need to be to start cycling.

reasons
- 7 months of training puts you no where near where you should be
- bodyfat is too high
- the cycle you proposed

just my opinion

well i eat pretty healthy now. i eat plenty of tuna, fish, chicken, i make sure i eat lots of protein. im even taking a prohormone right now called decabolen. and im still not getting the results that i want. i might just take the anadrol , but im still pretty skeptical about it. and what cycle would you propose i do instead of the one that i posted?

[peachfuzz]

what you are currently taking IS a steroid . and a powerful one at that.

anadrol would be about the worst thing you could do right now.

as i said. the problem lies in your diet.

[edgarrr831]

what you are currently taking IS a steroid . and a powerful one at that.

anadrol would be about the worst thing you could do right now.

as i said. the problem lies in your diet.

i was told it wasnt a steroids i was told that it was just a prohormone. and what if i did pct and then stayed off for about another three weeks would doing anadrol still be a problem. and yeah i do need a diet change im gonna have to look into that

[Big]

i was told it wasnt a steroids i was told that it was just a prohormone. and what if i did pct and then stayed off for about another three weeks would doing anadrol still be a problem. and yeah i do need a diet change im gonna have to look into that

someone lied to you.

[edgarrr831]

someone lied to you.

well i mean i bought it at supplement direct over the counter so im sure they dont sell the real stuff at a store would they?

[peachfuzz]

staying off for three weeks is pointless. your hormones would barely be recovered (if your lucky) and you would turn around and shut them right back down again.

there are few oral only cycles i would consider. anadrol is not one of them.

and you were told wrong.

steroid - 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one (Superdrol)
steroid- 2-ene 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol (DMT. AKA Madol)
steroid- 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol (similar to oral turinabol )

technically testosterone is a "pro hormone"

you are taking steroids .

[Big]

well i mean i bought it at supplement direct over the counter so im sure they dont sell the real stuff at a store would they?

well then it's not anavar . anavar is a steroid , a controlled substance. no telling what they sold you. lots of supplements copy steroid names just to get the sale.

[edgarrr831]

staying off for three weeks is pointless. your hormones would barely be recovered (if your lucky) and you would turn around and shut them right back down again.

there are few oral only cycles i would consider. anadrol is not one of them.

and you were told wrong.

steroid - 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one (Superdrol)
steroid- 2-ene 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol (DMT. AKA Madol)
steroid- 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol (similar to oral turinabol )

technically testosterone is a "pro hormone"

you are taking steroids.

then how long would be proper time to let them recover. and what oral only cycles would you consider instead of anodrol?

[Big]

I would recommend training longer than 7 months before using steroids , but anavar and tbol are decent oral cycles.

[edgarrr831]

[QUOTE=Big;4734055]I would recommend training longer than 7 months before using steroids , but anavar and tbol are decent oral cycles.[/QUOTE

by tbol do you mean Trenabol?

[ninesecz]

an all oral cycle is no good. for one horrible on the liver and kidneys, 2 you usually only run oral for 4-6 weeks because of the toxicity and really it takes longe than that to actually build the muscle and strength gains that is why we run test for 12-20weks depending on excperience. 3) Anavar at 20mg Ed is not only going to cost you way more money its worth... you are not going to see any results at a 20mg does! Wait, Work on the diet as Big has suggested and then plan a sensible cycle! of test injectable. Trust me, You will be surprised at what a little "tweakin'" of the ole' diet can do for you! If your diet is out of tune and you get it in tune, you will almost think you are on a cycle! Your body will go through a growth spurt just from all the new nutrients you are feeding it try it first cause as I say to everyone... If you do not have your diet spot on, the steroids are not going to work for you anyway! So really you need to tune in your diet first anyway so do it and give ut some time to show you results before you do steroids!!

[Big]

[QUOTE=edgarrr831;4734066]

I would recommend training longer than 7 months before using steroids , but anavar and tbol are decent oral cycles.[/QUOTE

by tbol do you mean Trenabol?

I mean oral turinabol .

[edgarrr831]

[QUOTE=Big;4734103]

I mean oral turinabol.

i think its spelled turanabol if im not mistaken. and thanks i can get that and the anavar . im gonna post up some pictures in a week or two to see if its legit.thanks

[Big]

i think its spelled turanabol if im not mistaken.

you are mistaken lol. click the blue word in my post.

[gymnerd]

Sounds like there is some confusion here LOL. I think the OP is talking about PH/DS that have names similar to the real deal and that is screwing everyone up?

[G4R]

Just out of curiousity, why do you want to run a oral only cycle? Don't like pins?

[Big]

Sounds like there is some confusion here LOL. I think the OP is talking about PH/DS that have names similar to the real deal and that is screwing everyone up?

that's what I'm thinking as well.

[edgarrr831]

Just out of curiousity, why do you want to run a oral only cycle? Don't like pins?

its not that i dont like pins im sure i can take the needle with no pain. what im scared of is that i do it wrong and get like an infection or something, an abbcess anything like that.

[Big]

its not that i dont like pins im sure i can take the needle with no pain. what im scared of is that i do it wrong and get like an infection or something, an abbcess anything like that.

you are right to be weary of injections, they aren't to be taken lightly, but done properly an injectable cycle is a much better option overall.

[edgarrr831]

you are mistaken lol. click the blue word in my post.

oh im sorry you're right. its cuz i have another person from where i can get it and they call it turanabol instead.

[edgarrr831]

you are right to be weary of injections, they aren't to be taken lightly, but done properly an injectable cycle is a much better option overall.

and another reason is im still living at home right now and when im at work my stuff can come in and if my folks see syringes and the amps they'll know whats up and if they're tabs i can tell em its something else. and yeah i was thinking injections are better cuz you only gotta do it once a week and you're good oppossed to daily pill popping.

[Big]

oh im sorry you're right. its cuz i have another person from where i can get it and they call it turanabol instead.

no worries, I make mistakes too, keep me in check.

[edgarrr831]

and a question i have about injections is how do you know if the needle has hit the muscle therefore being intramuscular. and i also read that you should pull back on plunger to see if you've hit a vein right?

[steiner1]

[QUOTE=edgarrr831;4734146]

i think its spelled turanabol if im not mistaken. and thanks i can get that and the anavar. im gonna post up some pictures in a week or two to see if its legit.thanks

im on day 12 of oral turinabol cycle ,so far so good! seeing a more ****** mid-section , little bit of strength gain.50 mg a day.

[edgarrr831]

[QUOTE=steiner1;4734218]

im on day 12 of oral turinabol cycle ,so far so good! seeing a more ****** mid-section , little bit of strength gain.50 mg a day.

nothing but turinabol ?and for how long are you doing the cycle?

[edgarrr831]

you are right to be weary of injections, they aren't to be taken lightly, but done properly an injectable cycle is a much better option overall.

if i were to take deca durabolin or test e. would i just use a 22 gauge x 1.5 inch?

[ninesecz]

I can also tell you are very inexperienced by the way you ask. I see this from a lot of other NOOB that do not know exactly what they are talking about. You wrote "the start A PCT?" It is noa A PCT IT is PCT Post CYcle Therapy NOOB's write it like that because you/they think it is some kind of compound you are taking kind of like if you said "start a cycle" You dont start a PCT your start pct!

[edgarrr831]

I can also tell you are very inexperienced by the way you ask. I see this from a lot of other NOOB that do not know exactly what they are talking about. You wrote "the start A PCT?" It is noa A PCT IT is PCT Post CYcle Therapy NOOB's write it like that because you/they think it is some kind of compound you are taking kind of like if you said "start a cycle" You dont start a PCT your start pct!

im not that naive i didnt mean it like it was a supplement you take i know its what you do after a cycle or prior to ending a cycle to get your hormones back to normal

[Big]

if i were to take deca durabolin or test e. would i just use a 22 gauge x 1.5 inch?

deca OR test e???

[ninesecz]

I feel very honest tonight and fel like telling it like it is! Trust me edgarrr831 A person in the right place and know to be using steroids would not have any of these questions,,
1) what is PCt or what do I use for PCT
2)What size needle fo I use and where and how do I inject
3)What compounds whould I use for my first cycle
4)Is an all oral cycle ok
5)how long do I run the cycle

All of these questions plus more should be etched into your head long before you ever start a cycle. DO you realize how powerful anabolic steroids are? they are 100% illeagal for a good reason. It is so people with little or no experience dont take the wrong thing and hurt themselves!
rust me and everyone here will agree.. Holding off using AAS for 3-6 months to learn all the ins and outs of what you are about to inject into your body is about the smartest thing you could do! If you ae not sure what or how to do it, I am almost amazed that you new kids on the block do not have more reservations about doing them! I spent 5 hours a day on these forums for months and months before I ever thought about using. I wanted to know evrything I could about the compounds and make 100% they were the right ones and what to expect from them! Even after 400-500+hrs of research what did I do...I started my cycle without having nolvadex and Clomid on hand and the cycle ended I did not have the money or resourced to get them... I AM NOW ON TEST REPLACEMENT THERAPY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!! Ask around! I know I am not the only person here that has trt now because of the stupidity of not getting PCT handled before the 1st jab! Get your dial 100% dialed for 6months while doing research for your 1st cycle! Then when it is time to do it, you will know your diet, and body inside out! Cause without the proper diet the AAS aint gonna help much anyway

[edgarrr831]

I feel very honest tonight and fel like telling it like it is! Trust me edgarrr831 A person in the right place and know to be using steroids would not have any of these questions,,
1) what is PCt or what do I use for PCT
2)What size needle fo I use and where and how do I inject
3)What compounds whould I use for my first cycle
4)Is an all oral cycle ok
5)how long do I run the cycle

All of these questions plus more should be etched into your head long before you ever start a cycle. DO you realize how powerful anabolic steroids are? they are 100% illeagal for a good reason. It is so people with little or no experience dont take the wrong thing and hurt themselves!
rust me and everyone here will agree.. Holding off using AAS for 3-6 months to learn all the ins and outs of what you are about to inject into your body is about the smartest thing you could do! If you ae not sure what or how to do it, I am almost amazed that you new kids on the block do not have more reservations about doing them! I spent 5 hours a day on these forums for months and months before I ever thought about using. I wanted to know evrything I could about the compounds and make 100% they were the right ones and what to expect from them! Even after 400-500+hrs of research what did I do...I started my cycle without having nolvadex and Clomid on hand and the cycle ended I did not have the money or resourced to get them... I AM NOW ON TEST REPLACEMENT THERAPY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!! Ask around! I know I am not the only person here that has trt now because of the stupidity of not getting PCT handled before the 1st jab! Get your dial 100% dialed for 6months while doing research for your 1st cycle! Then when it is time to do it, you will know your diet, and body inside out! Cause without the proper diet the AAS aint gonna help much anyway

yeah i know where you're coming from like. everyone needs to be well informed before ever even doing any of this stuff i mean ive been looking up a lot of info on steroids and what the pros and cons of each are but im sure its still not enought. i mean im asking to be well informed. you tell me as if im just being kind of dumb and just doing whatever. im asking for a reason. like you said to be well informed.

[edgarrr831]

deca OR test e???

what would you recommend if i took it with turinabol and anavar ?considering this will be my first cycle?

[Big]

what would you recommend if i took it with turinabol and anavar?considering this will be my first cycle?

took what with tbol and var?