Stats...

[c-Z]

Honestly getting tired of younger guys getting poor advice from other members here.....

Please stop giving cycle advice without knowing an individuals stats.
(Age, Height, Weight, bf%, years Training, Cycle Experience, Goals)

Day in and day out I come across posts with people suggesting cycles not knowing stats.. And it is usually a simple search of their posts and you can easily find out that the last thread they posted up in they were told they are too young.

Some of you may not care. But steroids are no joke. They can do harm to their body at such a young age. And if they choose to lie about their age. Then that is on them.

At least we can do are part in supplying healthy good information here for other members and newcomers.

It's not that hard to ask for someones stats. It is almost natural for me to look for stats when entering someones post.

You need to know what you are working with. If the guy is 6 foot and 150 lbs..... Then he doesn't need steroids. He needs a proper diet.

[*RAGE*]

agreed bro

[sigman roid]

I agree with you bro

[Bigmax]

Bro, im sure everyone agrees and all the vets and HOF's have been preaching that for years....you have anyone on particular you want to call out????..pm me if you need to..

[Dont wanna be old]

I agree totally . Don't be afraid to throw around some horror stories . I'm the poster child of bad experience's with aas . If I had this info in 90's I would be less the loser I am now .

[peachfuzz]

Sticky!!!

[TractionIssues]

Word.

[Dancer]

Honestly getting tired of younger guys getting poor advice from other members here..... Cause some of the persons giving that advice

A) don't know shit
B) Are under 23
C) have major complexes that hinder judgement
D) Flame



Please stop giving cycle advice without knowing an individuals stats.
(Age, Height, Weight, bf%, years Training, Cycle Experience, Goals)

Day in and day out I come across posts with people suggesting cycles not knowing stats.. And it is usually a simple search of their posts and you can easily find out that the last thread they posted up in they were told they are too young.

Some of you may not care. But steroids are no joke. They can do harm to their body at such a young age. And if they choose to lie about their age. Then that is on them.

At least we can do are part in supplying healthy good information here for other members and newcomers.

It's not that hard to ask for someones stats. It is almost natural for me to look for stats when entering someones post.

You need to know what you are working with. If the guy is 6 foot and 150 lbs..... Then he doesn't need steroids. He needs a proper diet.

I had this fight a few night ago. I say sanction some members that are in no position to give advice to send a message.

[peachfuzz]

I had this fight a few night ago. I say sanction some members that are in no position to give advice to send a message.

serious......ly

[Dancer]

serious......ly

Word +2

[amateur88]

Agreed bro, lets hope that all members read this!

Sticky FTW!

[Dancer]

I got a pic for the poster boy position, who wants it?

[Darksyde]

I had this fight a few night ago. I say sanction some members that are in no position to give advice to send a message.

i think i know what you are referring to and i totally agree

[c-Z]

I had this fight a few night ago. I say sanction some members that are in no position to give advice to send a message.

Amen. Seems to be on going.... Had to have a rant..... See where I stand amongst other members here.. And I'm obviously not alone. Warning should be given. Not to be a dick. But for the safety of our members.

And whether the individual looking for information lies about his or her age. That is on them. We can't ID people looking for info. If they choose to lie. Then they are only setting themselves up for failure.

[xo3et]

I agree c-z, i dont know s*it but i always ask for status as i know this is the only way to determine a persons profile.

I think people forget that at the other end of your keyboard is most likely an uneducated person ready to do what you tell them.

Respect...

[Dancer]

4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:


Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.

[Dancer]

3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.

[Dancer]

2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.

[Dancer]

REVISED DRAFT 11-17-02

Consensus Statement on Age of Initiation of Anabolic Use

Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (“growth plates�) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (“voicebox�) into the mid-20’s.

[Dancer]

Sorry, no linking to other forums...

[c-Z]

I agree c-z, i dont know s*it but i always ask for status as i know this is the only way to determine a persons profile.

I think people forget that at the other end of your keyboard is most likely an uneducated person ready to do what you tell them.

Respect...

Yep.... They may not know why they should be XX amount of years old. And what not. But the moment you see do this. They are doing it. My cousins the same way. I've never admitted my steroid use to anyone except brother, few friends, and my g/f. Everyone else suspects but doesn't know. If my cousin knew how I got so much bigger so fast... He would be on forums taking someones stupid advice right now.


Good stuff dancer.