WTH am i doing wrong?

[jj0824]

I have just finished my third cycle only to have ended up putting on about 7 or 8 pounds!! What am i doing wrong. I workout 5 days a week and eat so much food everyday. 5000 calories and at-least 400g protein. And with every cycle my eating and workouts have been better but my weight gains have been worse. First cycle was 300mg sustanon p/w. I gained and kept about 22 pounds. Second cycle im positive was under-dosed and only gained about 11 pounds. second cycle was 500mg test p/w and 300mg deca p/w. My cycle i just finished was 500mg of dura test p/w and had little results. My arms are really the only thing that increased in size. and thats not because i only would work them out. On the days i work out i train until it hurts. But still i keep seeing worse and worse results. Does anyone have a thought to what i could be doing wrong??

[peachfuzz]

Stats?

[peachfuzz]

I hope you dont think you going to put on the same amount of weight every cycle. especially if your anywhere where you should be for a 3rd cycle 7 or 8 pounds is nothing to be disappointed about.

[jj0824]

20
175
10%
6'0''

[Bigmax]

Bro, ok i need ur stats ...plus the worst thing you can think is that compounds are going to put weight and size on you cause they only help!!!!!!!!!!!!...your nutrition will be the telltale sign there.

[Bigmax]

how tall are you??

[jj0824]

about 6 foot

[grinchinit]

wait...ur 165 after 3 cycles?

lol

[Dancer]

So you went from the 125-130 to 165 -pounds- right?

[johnq]

your diet is wrong dude,

[laduem88]

i hope this is a huge misunderstanding on the stats..

[sigman roid]

At 6ft and 165lbs after 3 cycles theres only 1 conclusion your diet needs fixing.

[diesel405]

^ x2 ....DIET DIET DIET!!!

[ninesecz]

One you should not be working out until it hurts! and also just because you are eating that much does not mean you are dieting correctly! And yeh how is it you gained 22# then 11# plus whatever on this last cycle. and only be 165#? so you were 6' tall and under 132# ? do not even think that is possible is it! My GF is petite and she weight 118@ 5'5" you must just be a tiny little thing ha?

[TractionIssues]

This right here is a case of someone taking steroids too early, and screwing themselves up. It's not an exact calculation, but the way people should see it is, if you waited till you were 200 pounds before you started, your max potential from that point would be about 40% more than that weight. So if you did EVERYTHING right, and worked your ASS OFF, and would probably also need some great compounds, you would be able to attain just close to 280 lbs as your max potential, no higher. In your case you did them at 130 lbs and started them at what 18-19? No offense but what were you thinking? Anyway I don't want to get into all the reasons why that's bad. But now look at yourself, stuck at 165 and it will be hell to gain any more. Christ your eating 5000 cals a day and cant gain... you screwed your growth plates, sorry to say bro.

But people need to see this and learn from it, THIS is why you don't take steroids too young, and also when your under about 200 lbs at 6 foot...

[c-Z]

You need a good diet bro.... Definitely hit the diet section and post up your full days diet. if your on your 3rd cycle you should be well over 200 pounds bro. At 6 foot you should have been able to achieve naturally 200lbs.

[jj0824]

no im 175 but its not really the second cycle i care about. mainly the last one. i ate right and workdout hard and its seems like 7 pounds is a little low.

[TractionIssues]

So why did you write this:

20
165
10%
6'0''

And even that was modified higher after you edited it...

What's the truth?

[laduem88]

At 6ft and 165lbs after 3 cycles theres only 1 conclusion your diet needs fixing.

its probably that but it also may be combined with starting way to early and not building a base first

[jj0824]

lol that was an accident. id go crazy if i was 165

[laduem88]

lol that was an accident. id go crazy if i was 165

haha no offense but its not that much of a difference

[TractionIssues]

lol that was an accident. id go crazy if i was 165

I'm guessing you went out of your mind when you were 130, and that's when you decided to do steroids , before actually trying proper training and diet? You could have gained just as fast if you would have left out the steroids all together...

[Dancer]

Are you related to Seriousmass?

[c-Z]

To much info here.. It all seems to be changing...... Post up your results from starting weight. to first second and third cycle weight ending. And how is your diet?

[sigman roid]

its probably that but it also may be combined with starting way to early and not building a base first

yep i agree with you lad.

[DrZach]

He's not going to tell the truth. I think everyone here knows that. He already did and I guess doesn't feel he wants to hear the truth, so he's going to lie about his weight. Why even post if you don't want to hear the truth?

I've been reading on here for a long time, these guys know what they are talking about and are ONLY here to help. Not to pick on you. But you really shouldn't have started anything if you were only 130-140# starting out. I can imagine it's frustrating being that small but if you trained enough and ate right you shouldn't have had a problem packing on some muscle. Slow down, you are very young....don't be in a rush! Or you are going to regret it later!

[jj0824]

I'm guessing you went out of your mind when you were 130, and that's when you decided to do steroids, before actually trying proper training and diet? You could have gained just as fast if you would have left out the steroids all together...

thats exactly right. And it pisses me off knowing i could be 200. Diet is definitely the problem. If someone would tell me exactly what to eat when i would. another factor that comes into play is school. Thats why im trying to get all my shit done during the summer.

So the diet section is definitely worth looking at?

[ninesecz]

Diet is 85% of this game but you can not just diet and cycle during the summer and then eat like crap and come off and do nothing for 6-9months a year! if that is what you are doing you would be better off going natutal... the gains will stay longer and actually suit you better! and no 8-10# on your 3rd cycle after no pct and improper diet actually sounds just about right! That is still almost a pound a week and you should e lucky you gained that!

[TractionIssues]

thats exactly right. And it pisses me off knowing i could be 200. Diet is definitely the problem. If someone would tell me exactly what to eat when i would. another factor that comes into play is school. Thats why im trying to get all my shit done during the summer.

So the diet section is definitely worth looking at?

Do you mean you've been eating a supossed 5000 cals a day, and have never been to the diet section? Bro I don't want to bash on you, seriously I don't, but you REALLY need to wake up man... cmon your doing things all out of wack, and not actually educating yourself before you do things... Please man, cool things down a bit, stop your cycling, and return to the basics, trust me you will not regret it! Everything has steps for a reason, and I think your image on steroid use has been clouded and your getting the wrong idea from it. Concentrate on your diet and also your training/form. Because from your weight I can almost guess that your doing high reps with average weights also. Were here to help you out, but you need to listen to whats best first and not be so impulsive. WE WILL show you the BEST way to gain and keep it, just stick on these forums and READ READ READ! Go make a post in the diet section and I'll see you there, and well work something out.

[HIITB$]

thats exactly right. And it pisses me off knowing i could be 200. Diet is definitely the problem. If someone would tell me exactly what to eat when i would. another factor that comes into play is school. Thats why im trying to get all my shit done during the summer.

So the diet section is definitely worth looking at?

What does that mean? I hope it doesnt mean you think you can just workout and have a good diet and then you think you'll retain what you gained if you stop?

[ninesecz]

Man this guy is Wild - n - Out!! I have never seen anyone eat that much and not know how to plan a diet! I would be scared to eat that much ED if I did not know whats up! Man He has apparently gained 22+11+8 of 3 cycles.. thats 41# and he thinks WTH am I doing wrong!! Holy cow!! man if he was eating right had his diet down he could have probably kept 75% of that weight! I am really glad I have the knowledge I have and really glad I like to read and have spent hour after hour online and reading mags and books to gain some knowledge on all this! Looking at all these posts, it is a pretty scary road, (diet and AAS) if you don't know what the hell you are doing!

[TractionIssues]

He wasn't eating that much, he just has no clue what he's doing or talking about. Look at his diet...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393684

Find it funny how people come on here asking WTH am I doing wrong? And then procede to lie or deny everything... how is anyone supossed to help you?

[ranging1]

i think its ur diet
eat 1.5 grams of protein per pound of ur bodyweight
the rest of ur calories should come from carbohydrates and fats
just eat heaps of good carbs, and let fat come naturally from lean meats, rice, potatos, tuna (the good stuff)
when i say let fast come naturally i dont mean mc donalds, i mean eat clean and fat will come naturally but not in huge amounts
train hard and if ur not gaining weight increase ur carb intake, fat intake will increase slowly with this
u sound like a hard gainer to me, so my advice is emphasize the carbs
dont go shovel down 400 grams of protein daily, ur body CANNOT utalise that much, itll just burn most of it, ur better off eating 250 grams of protein and replacing the other 150 grams with carbs
like i said stick to those principles, and increase ur calorie intake if the scales dont go up each week
they eventually will go up
by the way i think ur abit of an idiot to have started anabolics at such a light weight
im neally 200 pounds n just started my first cycle, n i even think i couldve still gained without the cycle im currently running
i chose to do it to bust through couple of platues and build some muscle fast since at my weight it tends to be a greater fat gain then muscle gain since its harder to gain more muscle
by the way as stated above read the diet section
or better google muscle gain diet
or even better look at this website
http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.c...ain-diets.html
it has alot of good information regarding diet, training, rest etc
read every section of that website u can ders alot of good info

[CptAmericaX]

yah if you ate right and didnt gain weight on 3 cycles your GEAR IS BUNK!

[jj0824]

i think its ur diet
eat 1.5 grams of protein per pound of ur bodyweight
the rest of ur calories should come from carbohydrates and fats
just eat heaps of good carbs, and let fat come naturally from lean meats, rice, potatos, tuna (the good stuff)
when i say let fast come naturally i dont mean mc donalds, i mean eat clean and fat will come naturally but not in huge amounts
train hard and if ur not gaining weight increase ur carb intake, fat intake will increase slowly with this
u sound like a hard gainer to me, so my advice is emphasize the carbs
dont go shovel down 400 grams of protein daily, ur body CANNOT utalise that much, itll just burn most of it, ur better off eating 250 grams of protein and replacing the other 150 grams with carbs
like i said stick to those principles, and increase ur calorie intake if the scales dont go up each week
they eventually will go up
by the way i think ur abit of an idiot to have started anabolics at such a light weight
im neally 200 pounds n just started my first cycle, n i even think i couldve still gained without the cycle im currently running
i chose to do it to bust through couple of platues and build some muscle fast since at my weight it tends to be a greater fat gain then muscle gain since its harder to gain more muscle
by the way as stated above read the diet section
or better google muscle gain diet
or even better look at this website
http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.c...ain-diets.html
it has alot of good information regarding diet, training, rest etc
read every section of that website u can ders alot of good info

thanks man.

[higherdesire]

Did you say 20, as is years old, and have completed your third cycle? You can change that now too if you want.

[Dancer]

Did you say 20, as is years old, and have completed your third cycle? You can change that now too if you want.

He is in the cool club you just a hater

[higherdesire]

He is in the cool club you just a hater

Don't make me slap you around out here in public prancer!

[alpmaster]

If someone would tell me exactly what to eat when i would. another factor that comes into play is school.

Never took your mouth off the nipple, did you?

[ninesecz]

Straight up here is the deal. you need a good 6+ months getting a good diet tuned in. I spent a year trying different foods and seeing how they worked on my and what did not work at all! I now have a good grasp on all the food I eat! I have the nutritional value and all the info i need on about 50+ foods all stored in my head! That is how you know when you have your dieting down. Like for instance Most eat a lot of past when trying to bulk. I found pasta to be too starchy for me and cuses me to hold even more water so i only eat it every now and then! Rice too I only eat whit becaus v=brown which should be better for cutting than white does not sit good with my stomach so i have to stay away from it! I also found out than anything over 20oz of milk a day turns e into the smelliest farting machine this side of a college party drinking Milwakees best. so I hope you understand this! You can not just writwe abunch of foods down and say there is my diet. Everyones body digests and burns energy in a different way! you have to find out what food work for you! For cutting, for bulking, for maintaining, what you can actually eat for cheat meals without hurting yourself to much! it is tough work your right. this is the reason you see a lot of people in the gym year after year and they never get any bigger or more defined or stronger! Simple fact is...They Dont Know How To Diet!!