backing out of first cycle ever but can i still...

[PSU2009]

Yo,

So I prepared myself to do my very first cycle AND........ i pussied out!

I did a month of extensive research, bought every supplement I would need, and got my training up to where I wanted but then scared myself out of it.

I am not posting this thread so that you guys can tell me to reconsider because my mind has been made up and most of all, I got rid of the main supplement which was the 150 cc's of test.

This is what i would like to know if anyone has knowledgable input or experience...

I bought $300 worth of supplements in preperation for this cycle and now that I have gotten rid of the test, I would like to salvage and use the remaining supplements.

I still have 50 pills of winstrol , a bottle of milk thistle, bottle of joint pills, a nightly lean dessert protein shake (for my metabolism while I sleep), and syntha-6.

CAN I STILL USE THESE PRODUCTS EFFECTIVELY???

I bought the winstrol to cut myself while I put on mass gain with the test injection but now I have no test. Can I still use the winstrol to my advantage in any way? Is it okay to take this joint medicine or milk thistle daily or occasionally even though I'm not doing a cycle? What about my during-the-night lean dessert protein shake and syntha-6?

I really appreciate you guys taking the time to read this and help me figure out how I can use these supplements in the most effective way possible.

I look forward to your responses, thanks again!

[ajweb]

why did u decide against it?

[T-MOS]

so you got rid of the test, and you want to just take the winnny????


first do you have ANY idea how each of these compounds work and what they do to your body???

[G4R]

Drop the Winstrol , you can still use the milk thistle for liver health, and your protein drink obviously for muscle growth.

[c-Z]

U can run a winstrol cycle... Should really have some test in it though. Some say you should others say you don't have to have it... IMO having even a low dose of test will be better then nothing.. But.. w.e. You can still run it. Do a search on it.

[Immortal Soldier]

Nobody on here would try to convince you to do a cycle if you don't want to man. It's your choice.

[c-Z]

Nobody on here would try to convince you to do a cycle if you don't want to man. It's your choice.

Yeah just cause your a pusssy.... it's cool..... HAHAH I'm just messing bro. Hey do what you think is best. it's your body and your decision.

[PSU2009]

Yeah just cause your a pusssy.... it's cool..... HAHAH I'm just messing bro. Hey do what you think is best. it's your body and your decision.

lol that was pretty funny actually. i know it's my body and in the end i will do what i want and what i think best but i also wanted to get informative, erudite individuals on this subject to give me their experienced opinion.

i dont get why some people respond without addressing a SINGLE question that I posted in the original thread, hahah, i wanna ask like yo did you even read my post?

keep the replies coming though, i appreciate it (the helpful ones that is)...

[T-MOS]

How about answering my question so I can help you better?

[PSU2009]

How about answering my question so I can help you better?

i bought each one of these supplements for their distinctive purposes so ya i know what each one does. my research led me to buy each product because they would supposedly help me throughout the cycle process but now that i abandoned that original idea, i didnt to let them go to waste.

particularly, im most interested in the winstrol since that was the hardest to get. i bought the winny to cut me balanced with the test enanthate which bulks me up. i dont have the test anymore so can i still take the winny with positive results?

i bought the joint formula pills to help with my joints during the cycle, the milk thistleto help with my liver since the winstrol is an oral supplement, the lean dessert protein to keep my metabolism going overnight while i sleep, and the syntha-6 for a little extra weight/protein intake.

any tips?

[T-MOS]

Ok, it sounds like you have some misconceptions of what these compounds do

test does NOT bulk you up UNLESS your diet is set up to Bulk you up! I can cut very nicely on Test

Winny is fine, but is best used when your bodyfat is already around 10% or below.

I am not worried so much about your other supps, as I am about your use of test and winny

Did you have PCT compounds also

I can give better tips if you can please give us complete stats

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
PCT planned
GOALs for this
any previous AAS usage

[G4R]

i bought each one of these supplements for their distinctive purposes so ya i know what each one does. my research led me to buy each product because they would supposedly help me throughout the cycle process but now that i abandoned that original idea, i didnt to let them go to waste.

particularly, im most interested in the winstrol since that was the hardest to get. i bought the winny to cut me balanced with the test enanthate which bulks me up. i dont have the test anymore so can i still take the winny with positive results?
i bought the joint formula pills to help with my joints during the cycle, the milk thistleto help with my liver since the winstrol is an oral supplement, the lean dessert protein to keep my metabolism going overnight while i sleep, and the syntha-6 for a little extra weight/protein intake.

any tips?

What are your stats?
Height
Weight
Age
BF%
Diet
Training

^^^All of these are going to determine what your results will be (but I don't recommend you running a Winstrol only cycle, especially if this is your first cycle).

[G4R]

Crap.... TMOS beat me too it again....

[T-MOS]

Crap.... TMOS beat me too it again....

LOL its what I do.............

[powerliftmike]

are you really asking if you can take milk thistle a joint supplement and protein before bed without test and AAS? you should know the answer to this...

and yes you can take winstrol by itself. its pretty weak and hope your bodyfat is low already tho.

[PSU2009]

Height = 6 foot even
Weight = 190 lbs
Age = 22
BF% = not sure to be honest but pretty lean and active
Diet = mostly chicken and fish with little to no carbs if i can along with lots of rice/fruit
Training = gym every day for 2 hours, cardio --> two muscle groups --> swimming --> sauna


As T-Mos stated, i am more concerned about my usage of the winny as well. I have no previous AAS usage and I only had a PCT planned if I were to go through with the Test Enanthate and Winstrol cycle. Now that i backed out and only want to use the winny to my advantage (somehow), i wasn't necessarily thinking about a PCT.

if you tell me that i dont have enough yrs training (5+) or that winstrol MUST be balanced with something or that my stats aren't established enough then I guess i won't take the winny. but i have them in my posession and i want to use them so i guess im asking what is the best way possible if i refuse to go on an actual cycle?

[G4R]

Height = 6 foot even
Weight = 190 lbs
Age = 22
BF% = not sure to be honest but pretty lean and active
Diet = mostly chicken and fish with little to no carbs if i can along with lots of rice/fruit
Training = gym every day for 2 hours, cardio --> two muscle groups --> swimming --> sauna


As T-Mos stated, i am more concerned about my usage of the winny as well. I have no previous AAS usage and I only had a PCT planned if I were to go through with the Test Enanthate and Winstrol cycle. Now that i backed out and only want to use the winny to my advantage (somehow), i wasn't necessarily thinking about a PCT.

if you tell me that i dont have enough yrs training (5+) or that winstrol MUST be balanced with something or that my stats aren't established enough then I guess i won't take the winny. but i have them in my posession and i want to use them so i guess im asking what is the best way possible if i refuse to go on an actual cycle?

You can do a Winstrol only cycle, I just don't recommend it. A change in diet can you get you amazing results.

As far as PCT goes, DONT RUN ANY AAS WITHOUT PLANNING AND HAVING IN YOUR POSSESION A PROPER PCT.

What does you diet look like in detail? Meal 1: xxxxx (then list macros)
Meal 2: xxxxx (macros)
(and so on)
Totals: (macros)

[bernimx]

but i have them in my posession and i want to use them so i guess im asking what is the best way possible if i refuse to go on an actual cycle?

just so you know, winstrol is a steroid too.

[T-MOS]

sounds like your diet is NOT set up correctly for growth if that is your goal! Carbs are VERY important in diet....Carbs are what help synthesis the protein, you need them

Winny WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR HPTA !! therefore, you SHOULD replace the test you lose with exogenous Test or you risk issues with NO libido, NO erection, along with other symptoms of low test levels

Being that your HPTA WILL BE SHUT DOWN, you WILL need a FULL PCT in order to HOPEFULLY recover properly

HOWEVER, the first thing I would worry about would be getting your DIET checked out by our diet guru's here in the diet section and then go from there

Just cause you bought and have steroids does NOT mean you have to use them or use them incorrectly....they have a rather LONG shelf life. You can use them later when you are better prepared to do it correctly and follow through

[Juturna]

Height = 6 foot even
Weight = 190 lbs
Age = 22
BF% = not sure to be honest but pretty lean and active
Diet = mostly chicken and fish with little to no carbs if i can along with lots of rice/fruit
Training = gym every day for 2 hours, cardio --> two muscle groups --> swimming --> sauna


As T-Mos stated, i am more concerned about my usage of the winny as well. I have no previous AAS usage and I only had a PCT planned if I were to go through with the Test Enanthate and Winstrol cycle. Now that i backed out and only want to use the winny to my advantage (somehow), i wasn't necessarily thinking about a PCT.

if you tell me that i dont have enough yrs training (5+) or that winstrol MUST be balanced with something or that my stats aren't established enough then I guess i won't take the winny. but i have them in my posession and i want to use them so i guess im asking what is the best way possible if i refuse to go on an actual cycle?

I'll say it for my own conscience, then try to help you; PSU2009, running a Winny only cycle will not be as effective as you think and in many ways - Test is safer than oral steroids . So by '*****ing out'... you actually just made an ill-informed, stupid decision. Your fears were misplaced.

i dont get why some people respond without addressing a SINGLE question that I posted in the original thread, hahah, i wanna ask like yo did you even read my post?

I want to ask YOU if you read a single post of ours? Both TMOS and Going4****** asked multiple times for a diet - if you want serious help on how to MAXIMIZE the effectiveness of Winstrol-only cycle (precisely what you posted for), then be sure to provide them with all the information IN-DEPTH that they ask for... The quicker you get back to us about your specific diet, the quicker you'll find the answers your looking for.

Also -- you were going to start a cycle without PCT? I know for a fact PCT is stressed to the borders of ANNOYING but my god - it's no wonder it has to be repeated so many times...

Trust me, if you listen, you'll learn. In turn, you'll reach your goals.

[ninesecz]

I have a question... what the hell were you planning on doing with 150cc's OF TEST???

[Sauced_Up]

Yo,

So I prepared myself to do my very first cycle AND........ i pussied out!

I did a month of extensive research, bought every supplement I would need, and got my training up to where I wanted but then scared myself out of it.

I am not posting this thread so that you guys can tell me to reconsider because my mind has been made up and most of all, I got rid of the main supplement which was the 150 cc's of test.

WTFFFF!?!?!?!?! 150cc's of test?????
You trying to run a year long cycle??????

I would love to have even half that amount in my possession

[CaliPhotog]

I still have 50 pills of winstrol , a bottle of milk thistle, bottle of joint pills, a nightly lean dessert protein shake (for my metabolism while I sleep), and syntha-6.

CAN I STILL USE THESE PRODUCTS EFFECTIVELY???

Yes, you can. They will all have some effect on you. Is it going to be what you want? It really depends on what effect you are looking for? Unless I missed something I still have not seen what you are looking to get out of this. Tell us that and we will tell you if it is going to be effective to that end. But come on dude, you should know if you can take milk thistle, joint pills and some protein without being on cycle. Yes you can!

[CHAP]

WTFFFF!?!?!?!?! 150cc's of test?????
You trying to run a year long cycle??????

I would love to have even half that amount in my possession

Really you only needed like 30cc for a cycle if it was dosed at 250mg/ml

Probably bought amps in bulk

[fitfreak]

What did you have on hand for pct before you decided against the cycle?

Do you realize that test does not bulk you and winny does not make you cut? How much you cut or bulk is determined by your diet and training.

If I understand correctly you said you take in little to no carbs, but consume plenty of rice and fruit? Rice and fruit are nothing but carbs.

I think your decision to not run this cycle was an excellent choice. IMO you should continue to research for another few months. You should start by reading ALL of the stickies here.

[CptAmericaX]

Nobody on here would try to convince you to do a cycle if you don't want to man. It's your choice.

Yah I dont think anyone cares and the fact that you dropped test to try and run just winny shows how little research you did

[CptAmericaX]

Really you only needed like 30cc for a cycle if it was dosed at 250mg/ml

Probably bought amps in bulk

haha good call I didnt catch that I thought

[PSU2009]

Guys,

I wrestled at the collegiate level for a D-1 universtiy so I have never really had a smart diet or bulk lifting regimen. I was always cutting weight, only lifting for endurance rather than strength gain, and I only ate what I could piss/shit out quickly.

I was never allowed to partake in AAS usage, therefore my knowledge is little so please STOP ASKING about what I was prepared to take as my PCT or how many cc's I had of test <---- IT'S IRRELEVANT and does not pertain to my thread whatsoever.

My diet is not disciplined but I am a disciplined individual so here's the new question I have since I am getting a lot of great responses (Juturna, T-MOS, going4******) but a lot of unrelated ones too (fitfreak, CHAP, Sauced Up, etc.)

I am going to take these winstrol pills regardless (and soon). What should my diet look like if I were going to do this winstrol only cycle? I still need a PCT since winstrol is considered a steroid right? so what should I go with for my PCT after the cycle? what should my lifting regimen be with this cycle?

Fellas... i'm not trying to be rude with calling certain replies irrevelant and I'm not trying to be misleading by avoiding certain questions but it's difficult to give you my daily diet because it fluxuates. I don't have a particular goal in mind with this cycle other then to boost my muscle by 10 or 15 pounds and I thought maybe it would cut me up more than I already am.

what do you guys think in terms of my new question?

[powerliftmike]

I am going to take these winstrol pills regardless (and soon).

No sense in researching first, just jump right in. worry about consequences later right?

What should my diet look like if I were going to do this winstrol only cycle?

What is your goals? There is no "steroid diet" ie specific diet to take when on AAS.

I still need a PCT since winstrol is considered a steroid right?

Yes, winstrol is an AAS. This is troubling you dont know this already. PCT is to help you recover. Its for your own benefit. You should take it seriously unless you really just dont give a damn.

so what should I go with for my PCT after the cycle?

Please research. Read about clomid and nolvadex at least. Visit our PCT forum to more help and ideas as well.

what should my lifting regimen be with this cycle?

Again just like diet shown above, there is no "steroid workout routine." Again what are your goals?

We are trying to help you, and for free even! Dont get pissed and whine. This is about helping you. All advice given is on a take it or leave it basis here. Its YOUR decision. But I would strongly recommend you at least consider what you are doing first.

[Sauced_Up]

Guys,

I wrestled at the collegiate level for a D-1 universtiy so I have never really had a smart diet or bulk lifting regimen. I was always cutting weight, only lifting for endurance rather than strength gain, and I only ate what I could piss/shit out quickly.

I was never allowed to partake in AAS usage, therefore my knowledge is little so please STOP ASKING about what I was prepared to take as my PCT or how many cc's I had of test <---- IT'S IRRELEVANT and does not pertain to my thread whatsoever.

My diet is not disciplined but I am a disciplined individual so here's the new question I have since I am getting a lot of great responses (Juturna, T-MOS, going4******) but a lot of unrelated ones too (fitfreak, CHAP, Sauced Up, etc.)

I am going to take these winstrol pills regardless (and soon). What should my diet look like if I were going to do this winstrol only cycle? I still need a PCT since winstrol is considered a steroid right? so what should I go with for my PCT after the cycle? what should my lifting regimen be with this cycle?

Fellas... i'm not trying to be rude with calling certain replies irrevelant and I'm not trying to be misleading by avoiding certain questions but it's difficult to give you my daily diet because it fluxuates. I don't have a particular goal in mind with this cycle other then to boost my muscle by 10 or 15 pounds and I thought maybe it would cut me up more than I already am.

what do you guys think in terms of my new question?

First off bud, I find my question pretty relevant. 150cc's is no simple amount of gear. Thats a full 5 cycles at 15 weeks each cycle dosed at 500mg/week if you had 250mg/cc Test. This leads me to believe your not shooting us straight facts because no one but a dealer or competitor IMO would purchase that much gear at one time, let alone then decide "hey I just purchased about a $1500 worth of gear, but now I dont want to use this stuff"

Second, there is a search button. From my short time on this site, I have quickly realized you will get much more help if you do even a little basic search on what your looking to cycle.

Third, Winstrol will not put 15lbs of muscle on you. It will help lean/harden you up when you are under 10% and help with strength a bit. I have NEVER taken winny, BUT I ACQUIRED THIS LITTLE BIT OF INFO FROM USING THE SEARCH BUTTON JUST NOW!!!

Fourth, Your gonna take the winny regardless and soon??? Do yourself a lil favor a quite while your ahead. Going into this game with that mentality will only bring you hardships later in life. I can directly relate that to my motorcycle experience with fellow riders, no riding experience whatsoever, no license, no gear, YET they want a 1000cc sport bike, a month later after totaling the bike and coming out of the hospital (if they survive) they realize, damn I should have took my time and started on a 600cc. Similar to you with AAS, trying to jump in without the foundations needed to properly reap the benefits of the substances.


The lack of knowledge you have on these AAS lead me to believe your not ready to dwell into them.
But what the hell do I know, im only a NEWB!

[Juturna]

I wrestled at the collegiate level for a D-1 universtiy so I have never really had a smart diet or bulk lifting regimen. I was always cutting weight, only lifting for endurance rather than strength gain, and I only ate what I could piss/shit out quickly.

I was never allowed to partake in AAS usage, therefore my knowledge is little so please STOP ASKING about what I was prepared to take as my PCT or how many cc's I had of test <---- IT'S IRRELEVANT and does not pertain to my thread whatsoever.

My diet is not disciplined but I am a disciplined individual so here's the new question I have since I am getting a lot of great responses (Juturna, T-MOS, going4******) but a lot of unrelated ones too (fitfreak, CHAP, Sauced Up, etc.)

I am going to take these winstrol pills regardless (and soon). What should my diet look like if I were going to do this winstrol only cycle? I still need a PCT since winstrol is considered a steroid right? so what should I go with for my PCT after the cycle? what should my lifting regimen be with this cycle?

Fellas... i'm not trying to be rude with calling certain replies irrevelant and I'm not trying to be misleading by avoiding certain questions but it's difficult to give you my daily diet because it fluxuates. I don't have a particular goal in mind with this cycle other then to boost my muscle by 10 or 15 pounds and I thought maybe it would cut me up more than I already am.

what do you guys think in terms of my new question?

Okay PSU, I'm going to try to address your individual questions;

I wrestled too - we both know what it's like with dieting there - but throw all of that out the door. This forum, the gym, if you want to be serious about it - is a different world. You are not ready for a cycle IMO bro, but it's obvious by your posts that your going to take it regardless of that opinion, so I'll try to point you in the right direction (however stupid it is, sorry).

If you want a specific diet, post a thread in the DIET FORUM and I will personally help you there to come up with both a diet AND work-out regiment. Please post there and I'll answer your DIET/WORKOUT questions and after we map it out, I'll answer anything else you have about Winny and PCT, ok?

[Juturna]

** I'd rather give advice on safe PCT to the uneducated than watch the uneducated **** up his body.

[CaliPhotog]

I don't understand why you would back out of using Test, but then decide to still use the Winny??? Dude... still steroids and now you are going to make the ratio of benefits/sides worse.

[Dancer]

This one time I did test/halo and gained 11 pounds and kept 3... Maybe you should think about test/halo

[G4R]

Guys,

I wrestled at the collegiate level for a D-1 universtiy so I have never really had a smart diet or bulk lifting regimen. I was always cutting weight, only lifting for endurance rather than strength gain, and I only ate what I could piss/shit out quickly.

I was never allowed to partake in AAS usage, therefore my knowledge is little so please STOP ASKING about what I was prepared to take as my PCT or how many cc's I had of test <---- IT'S IRRELEVANT and does not pertain to my thread whatsoever.

My diet is not disciplined but I am a disciplined individual so here's the new question I have since I am getting a lot of great responses (Juturna, T-MOS, going4******) but a lot of unrelated ones too (fitfreak, CHAP, Sauced Up, etc.)

I am going to take these winstrol pills regardless (and soon). What should my diet look like if I were going to do this winstrol only cycle? I still need a PCT since winstrol is considered a steroid right? so what should I go with for my PCT after the cycle? what should my lifting regimen be with this cycle?

Fellas... i'm not trying to be rude with calling certain replies irrevelant and I'm not trying to be misleading by avoiding certain questions but it's difficult to give you my daily diet because it fluxuates. I don't have a particular goal in mind with this cycle other then to boost my muscle by 10 or 15 pounds and I thought maybe it would cut me up more than I already am.

what do you guys think in terms of my new question?

If I were to offer you maybe 4lbs of gain now, or possibly 20lbs + of gain in say, 1 or 2 years, what would you take?

None of us can stop you from taking anything. We are only trying to keep you from doing more harm than good to your body. I mention diet, and exercise only because they are the true base of any AAS cycle.

All I ask is that you be careful, and be safe, and if you have any discipline, use it to wait before you try any AAS.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

[c-Z]

lol that was pretty funny actually. i know it's my body and in the end i will do what i want and what i think best but i also wanted to get informative, erudite individuals on this subject to give me their experienced opinion.

i dont get why some people respond without addressing a SINGLE question that I posted in the original thread, hahah, i wanna ask like yo did you even read my post?

keep the replies coming though, i appreciate it (the helpful ones that is)...

I can't lie... no i didn't read the post... i was on my way out the door... Sorry bro... LOL it seems like everyone else took care of it though.

[ninesecz]

still wanna know why he had 150ml of test? even if he bought ampules , usually you buy them by the 100 not by the 150

[Sauced_Up]

still wanna know why he had 150ml of test? even if he bought ampules , usually you buy them by the 100 not by the 150

^^^^^^^
Same here

[alpmaster]

Please take the winny pills.

Joint pain, possible infertility, low libido, acne, cock-doesn't-work-syndrome, hair loss, etc., whatever, easy to deal with right? Now, to get "cut up" with a steroid diet and winstrol , man, that's the good life.

Go for it champ!

[alpmaster]

Please take the winny pills.

Joint pain, possible infertility, low libido, acne, cock-doesn't-work-syndrome, hair loss, etc., whatever, easy to deal with right? Now, to get "cut up" with a steroid diet and winstrol , man, that's the good life.

Go for it champ!