hpta shutdown

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 01:42 PM

with the use of aas at some point of time one is going to get shut down..the question is if its mid cycle what should one do if use of hcg is a problem..what is the max time the hpta could be left shutdown for..how long can the lh and fsh be left near zero till it recovers properly and there is no threat of permanent damage..especially for people who are mid thirties,like me

**strength_addict14** · 07-09-2009, 01:50 PM

Just run a good solid pct after your cycle and you should be fine. What are you running?

**Swifto** · 07-09-2009, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ganu

with the use of aas at some point of time one is going to get shut down..the question is if its mid cycle what should one do if use of hcg is a problem..what is the max time the hpta could be left shutdown for..how long can the lh and fsh be left near zero till it recovers properly and there is no threat of permanent damage..especially for people who are mid thirties,like me

The older you get (statistically) the lower your serum T will get.

Being shutdown for 12-14 weeks, should'nt be a problem, but the damage to the HPTA when one gets older, in theory, could be magnified. Thats why many have no other option but HRT.

There are compounds that can completely eliminate HPTA shutdown though. Such as Naltrexone. I've recently been reading on combining this with a GnRH agonist, such as Triptorelin Acetate.

Shutdown, could be a thing of the past.

**chuckt12345** · 07-09-2009, 01:52 PM

hey ganu,, what did you gain off that tbol/var cycle? im curious

**strength_addict14** · 07-09-2009, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

The older you get (statistically) the lower your serum T will get.

Being shutdown for 12-14 weeks, should'nt be a problem, but the damage to the HPTA when one gets older, in theory, could be magnified. Thats why many have no other option but HRT.

There are compounds that can completely eliminate HPTA shutdown though. Such as Naltrexone. I've recently been reading on combining this with a GnRH agonist, such as Triptorelin Acetate.

Shutdown, could be a thing of the past.

I have read a lot recently about this aswell.... it would certainly make things much easier wouldn't it. Any studies to pass along Swifto?

**Swifto** · 07-09-2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by strength_addict14

I have read a lot recently about this aswell.... it would certainly make things much easier wouldn't it. Any studies to pass along Swifto?

Study king huh?!

There is a great article on here by Eric Portratz (Pimordial Performance's President). Have a search. Its loaded with studies.

Triptorelin Acetate is also a known GnRH agonist. But the only studies you'll find are on pubescent boys/girls with central precocious puberty (CPP).

Thats not to say it wont work.

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

The older you get (statistically) the lower your serum T will get.

Being shutdown for 12-14 weeks, should'nt be a problem, but the damage to the HPTA when one gets older, in theory, could be magnified. Thats why many have no other option but HRT.

There are compounds that can completely eliminate HPTA shutdown though. Such as Naltrexone. I've recently been reading on combining this with a GnRH agonist, such as Triptorelin Acetate.

Shutdown, could be a thing of the past.

super swifto..has anyone on this forum tried this

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by strength_addict14

Just run a good solid pct after your cycle and you should be fine. What are you running?

var/tbol/bhrt test/t3/clen

**strength_addict14** · 07-09-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by ganu

var/tbol/bhrt test/t3/clen

Again I wouldn't worry to much about shutdown as long as your pct is up to snuff.

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

hey ganu,, what did you gain off that tbol/var cycle? im curious

gained 7kgs..pretty lean..fat reduced 4% as of now to 13%..had ended tbol on 6th week and after 1 week weight dropped 1kg..could have been because i added t3 on the 7th week..but fat loss was good so extended my 8week cycle to ten week as t3 cant be run without aas due to muscle loss..added clen too from 9th week..

**Swifto** · 07-09-2009, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by ganu

super swifto..has anyone on this forum tried this

Not here I dont think, although I'm going to soon.

I have heard success stories at other forums and by a doctor.

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by strength_addict14

Again I wouldn't worry to much about shutdown as long as your pct is up to snuff.

my pct..nolva20/clomid50/proviron25..4weeks..is it enough

**ninesecz** · 07-09-2009, 02:24 PM

you are shutdown but remember you are replacing it with the same thing thats shut down! So your body is really never without what you think would be missing

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Not here I dont think, although I'm going to soon.

I have heard success stories at other forums and by a doctor.

please let us know when you do try..cheers

**strength_addict14** · 07-09-2009, 02:26 PM

Imo you only need the nolva and clomid.... could bump it up to 40 and 100 the first week but that is up to you. Looks good to me man.

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

you are shutdown but remember you are replacing it with the same thing thats shut down! So your body is really never without what you think would be missing

worried about the age factor and the fact that my 1st week test was low at219.7 range 166-877..so restart should not be a worry if waited for too long after shutdown...at 4th week it was 536 and 8th week at 434

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by strength_addict14

Imo you only need the nolva and clomid.... could bump it up to 40 and 100 the first week but that is up to you. Looks good to me man.

just worried about clomid sides..can bump the nolva up though @40..have kept proviron incase nolva acts cute

**strength_addict14** · 07-09-2009, 02:32 PM

Just run it the way you plan, your ok.

**ganu** · 07-09-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by strength_addict14

Just run it the way you plan, your ok.

thanks bro .cheers

**ganu** · 07-10-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by ganu

thanks bro .cheers

bump

**spywizard** · 07-10-2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

The older you get (statistically) the lower your serum T will get.

Being shutdown for 12-14 weeks, should'nt be a problem, but the damage to the HPTA when one gets older, in theory, could be magnified. Thats why many have no other option but HRT.

There are compounds that can completely eliminate HPTA shutdown though. Such as Naltrexone. I've recently been reading on combining this with a GnRH agonist, such as Triptorelin Acetate.

Shutdown, could be a thing of the past.

oh you are the man aren't youl;..

question though, if one is suppressed, would one have to do rigorous PcT in an attempt to regain a normal level before begining a treatment plan..

ah crap, now i have to go read a bunch.. thanks a lot..

**Swifto** · 07-10-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

oh you are the man aren't youl;..

question though, if one is suppressed, would one have to do rigorous PcT in an attempt to regain a normal level before begining a treatment plan..

ah crap, now i have to go read a bunch.. thanks a lot..

I dont know how much Naltrexone and Triptorelin would keep ganadotrophins going. How much endogenous LH/FSH/T it would sustain during "shutdown". But I know it works.

From what I've read, you wouldnt need a PCT at all. But if you did, it would be minor IMHO.

It would be easier to get endogenous T levels back to baseline from being supressed, not shutdown.