Few questions about my test cycle

**Gekko101** · 07-09-2009, 07:12 PM

Hi Guys!

I've been +14 weeks now on a cycle that started with 30-40mg dbol /day and 250mg of sustanon test /week. This is my 2nd cycle, the first one was dbol only for 10weeks last year, the traditional 1st cycle...

At this cycle after first few weeks I increased the sustanon dose to 500mg/w, I've also kept some time off from dbol in the middle so I haven't eat that for 14weeks... I'm not that crazy. I only had 200x10mg pills total.

Now I have still few sust's on hand and I also have 16x 2ml/200mg test propionates which I planned to use in the end of the cycle (last 2-3weeks?), as I have seen that's a recommended way to do if you have propionate to use.

Some thoughts:

- How should I do the change from sust -> prop, or does it really make a difference? I mean, should I wait for some specific period of time between last sust and first prop shot to maintain stable blood levels? Now I have shot sust for every 3rd day so the dose is this way somewhere around ~625mg/w average I think, can I just switch and after the last sust, wait for 2 days and shot propionate on the 3rd?

- Prop should be shot every other day at least I think. (?) Is the dose similar to sust if compared or does the difference in ester make a difference somehow, I mean if I have took ~600mg / sust per week, now I just take 2ml/200mg of prop every other day, and it makes somehow similar dose per week? Correct?

- Is 2ml shot of prop too much in one time, should it be splitted for 100mg each day or something...? I'm not familiar with prop yet, so I don't know if 2ml shot makes some nasty sides etc..

- As I have some excess prop amps as can be seen (16 amps is too many for 2-3weeks period..), is there any reasonable way to mix those with sust and start using some of those allready along with sustanon without causing a rollercoaster in blood levels, or is it just as stupid idea as it sounds?

**ninesecz** · 07-09-2009, 07:30 PM

It does not matter switching from sust ot prop because sust actually has prop in it! You really want to shoot prop every day to be most effective 75mg Ed should be enough that will equal 525mg Ew and I do not think you need to go any higher. But m question is.. how long are you staying on this cycle? 14 weeks would seem like more than enough for a 2nd cycle! On top of it what were you thinking doing a d-bol only cycle and riding it for 10 weeks!? thats nuts! . Also I would like to hear your course for PCT because you did not mention it in your OP.

**DS21** · 07-09-2009, 07:33 PM

It's very hard to figure out what you are exactly asking? If you've been on for 14weeks, then I would wait about 2 week after your last sust shot and start your pct. Save your prop for your next cycle, that is what I would do. I hope that answered your question?

**Gekko101** · 07-10-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

It does not matter switching from sust ot prop because sust actually has prop in it! You really want to shoot prop every day to be most effective 75mg Ed should be enough that will equal 525mg Ew and I do not think you need to go any higher. But m question is.. how long are you staying on this cycle? 14 weeks would seem like more than enough for a 2nd cycle! On top of it what were you thinking doing a d-bol only cycle and riding it for 10 weeks!? thats nuts! . Also I would like to hear your course for PCT because you did not mention it in your OP.

Thanks for info, I guess I could split that one 2ml amp of prop to 3 splits, so it would be ~66mg each day, and do that for last 1-2weeks then. (Easier that way?)

Well I like to think I more likely do one longer cycle and then be good time off the drugs, than doing many shorter cycles in year u see... At least in our country here 16-20weeks cycles with injectable stuff like test/deca is very usual, and often reported to give better results than 10-12week periods, as these stuff take so long to take effect at all.

About what you asked about that d-bol cycle, it's not wise but I don't think that's so unique way to do your first cycle. I can see clearly some differences between US and Europe in this matter, the usual way I've heard and seen for dbol only cycle is i.e. 8weeks of 30-40mg/d. Some people like to use it little bit longer, 9 or 10 weeks.

I did my bloodwork and checked the liver values, they were fine excluding some increase in hemoglobine that time. (~10 units) It dropped down to normal after cycle.

I have lots of Nolva for PCT, I'm starting the PCT in 1-2days after the last propionate shot, and doing 1-2weeks of 40mg/d first and then keep doing 20mg/d for 2-3weeks more. I'm not so much of a fan for Clomid u see.

**Gekko101** · 07-10-2009, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by DS21

It's very hard to figure out what you are exactly asking? If you've been on for 14weeks, then I would wait about 2 week after your last sust shot and start your pct. Save your prop for your next cycle, that is what I would do. I hope that answered your question?

I was planned to quit somewhere around 16-18weeks u see, that's why I'm stopping sust after next week and starting the propionate then, after 1-2weeks of prop I'm gonna end the cycle and start my Nolva PCT.

**chuckt12345** · 07-10-2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Gekko101

I was planned to quit somewhere around 16-18weeks u see, that's why I'm stopping sust after next week and starting the propionate then, after 1-2weeks of prop I'm gonna end the cycle and start my Nolva PCT.

dude go read up on pct, nolva aint gonna cut it,, and an 18wk cycle for first one is pretty long,, how much have you gained so far?

**Gekko101** · 07-10-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

dude go read up on pct, nolva aint gonna cut it,, and an 18wk cycle for first one is pretty long,, how much have you gained so far?

I know, clomid and hcg would be damn good but here where I live, hcg is not available at all and clomid is seen about once in a year and very limited amounts in the market... Nolva is actually the only available proper PCT drug (well Proviron as well but...) so I just have to take bigger dosage of nolva and longer period of time.

Yes 18wk is pretty long, but few weeks ago I did my bloodwork and it was fine.

This cycle has not gave me what I expected, mostly because my first cycle with injection stuff, I of course expected to have unbeliavable gains in few months. Obviously, that didn't happen.

First ~10weeks gave me around ~18-20lbs of weight, most of it is water retention of course but I didn't actually have that much nasty bloating as I was prepared for. In the body size or form, nothing so special, lil bit of rounder deltoids.

After 10weeks the weight just stucked, but weights and sets at the gym did go up still. Now at the weeks 13-14 I just switched to the next gear and started to eat like mad man, all possible mass gainers and food when ever I can etc., and now the body weight just started to slowly gain more again. I also switched my training program a bit, to more heavy weights and less reps in the working sets, and that seems to be working.

I thought I ate a lot of quality meat and stuff, but you can always eat even more, I see...

So as everything seems to go fine and progress is done now again, I had this thought to let this set go on now for few extra weeks, then it's the end of summer and I have a lot of work to do etc so it's good time to have several months total off from gear and just do some natural training, let the body have some rest from chemicals..

Don't take me wrong, but I thought lots of guys there do take massive amounts of juice for months and months, or even years without off, that just makes me think that it can't be that bad to do i.e. 18weeks instead of standard 12weeks, as we remember I still have pretty small doses going on, and not many different medicines at the same time...?

**Gekko101** · 07-10-2009, 11:19 AM

I don't anything special to show so I don't bother to do a topic on members cycle/photo forum, but here is a link to one photo from side, left photo week 0, right side week 14. This is off-topic but as somebody wondered how much I have gained etc. I guess this doesn't do any harm.

As u see, nothing special from 14weeks from sust. This makes me wonder if this organon sust is actually 250mg/ml or not... Calorie input started at 3200 and is almost 4000/day now, protein input ~200g/d. Weight difference in these photos is ~20lbs in body weight. Hands were 16,53" in the first photo and now 17,25".

(Sorry about the angle/position it's little bit different in other photo)

Side photo

Here u go with another one from the _front_...

EDIT: I posted my workout routine here...