Problems with deca..

**Gekko101** · 07-11-2009, 06:25 AM

Hi guys, as I have wrote in other topics, I'm on week 14 on my test (sustanon ) cycle, with some d-bol as well.

During the whole time, my blood pressure's been very good, around 120/65 or something like that.

2days ago, I got the same brand of organon sust, but different series (made at different time). I also got few excess deca 's from my friend as he wanted to loose those somewhere. These are wellknown ug lab deca's, very high quality they say everywhere.

So I injected 1ml / 250mg of test as usually to my glute, and then just to test how my body re-acts with deca, I injected only ~0,5ml (50mg) of Deca to my deltoid.

Of course everything should be always planned forehand etc. but don't stick to that, I just wanted to see what that does for small doses/2-3weeks along with this test so I'd know if I choose to do an proper Deca cycle somewhere in future, because you never know how one can handle each chemical.

Well I got surprised as the next day, I felt little bit tired and muscles were little bit of numb, and I sweat like a pig which is not been an issue with the test in this cycle.

I measured my BP and it was 139/85 and right hand showed almost 150/90 (for some reason my right hand always shows a little bit of higher numbers, maybe that meter is not so accurate from right hand I don't know..)

Today, same thing and I do sweat a lot, lol.

I'm wondering if that ridiculous amount of deca can cause this so fast, or maybe that new series of organon sust is just somehow stronger than the previous ones...?

How long will deca take before the effect goes away? I know it has half-life of 10-14days in theory, but in "real life"...?

**Juice Authority** · 07-11-2009, 07:22 AM

NPP and Deca both raise BP for some. I don't have that issue though.

***T-MOS*** · 07-11-2009, 07:26 AM

you are on week 14? just how long of a cycle is this. Any steroid use can cause a raise in blood pressure, some more than others as Juice stated

**Gekko101** · 07-11-2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

you are on week 14? just how long of a cycle is this. Any steroid use can cause a raise in blood pressure, some more than others as Juice stated

I'm quitting soon, I have 2weeks of test prop for quitting (more accurate to start pct then after sust...), but because of personal reasons (holiday trip..) I can't start prop yet. It's gonna be total of ~18weeks total I think.

2nd cycle, but test only (excluding some dbol in the start etc) so it should be ok.

I'm not using this deca to expect any gains, I know it effects slowly - I just wanted to test little bit how my body tolerates it to know if I should buy deca for my future cycles.

Well by this it seems my body doesn't tolerate this too well, as sust has caused no sides like this, and only 50mg's of deca causes me to have "non-stopping pump" / numbing feel in my arms and legs, and raise in BP.

Fortunately, I took some L-Arginine this morning and it seemed to lower the blood pressure a bit, or I just got more relaxed who knows

**Big** · 07-11-2009, 10:38 AM

I would not use deca at the end of a cycle, regardless of the reasons, the long ester will linger and could affect your pct start time.

**CptAmericaX** · 07-11-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Big

I would not use deca at the end of a cycle, regardless of the reasons, the long ester will linger and could affect your pct start time.

I completely agree with big, you if you had ran a 14 week cycle of sus I would have started deca in the beginning and quit it at week 10

**skycowboy** · 07-11-2009, 03:17 PM

I have been using 500 deca per week for 5 weeks now with 500 test e (1st time I’ve tried deca). At week 4 I started having shortness of breath and tightness in the chest and shooting pains in the arm. I went to the doctor yesterday and my bp was 150/90. At my annual physical in March it was 120/80. I stopped using deca on Wednesday and the symptoms are gone now.

It really sucks because the deca had just kicked in. I my strength gains were unbelievable this week. The weights felt like air. I am switching to test prop only for the rest of the cycle as I never have a problem with that.

**hankdiesel** · 07-11-2009, 04:34 PM

Don't just take "whatever" at the end of a cycle and hope it does something. Taking deca at the end like that, even in small doses, will do more harm than good.

**Gekko101** · 07-11-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Don't just take "whatever" at the end of a cycle and hope it does something. Taking deca at the end like that, even in small doses, will do more harm than good.

You're absolutely right, but I'd like to remind what I said above - I didn't do this to have some last minute gains at this cycle, but to do a little test how deca works for me.

As I still have 3-4 weeks to go, I could have tested this drug for ~2-3weeks and then stopped it before I stop taking test.

My idea was that it's sad if I then buy lots of deca for my next cycle in future and then see that drug does have some nasty sides in my body, and I'd have excess deca bottles with no use.

But, I guess this test told the truth for me right from the beginning, deca is no good for me if it affects my blood pressure this quickly, with such a small dose. Wonder what it might have did If I have shooted ~400mg rightaway...

I think I should stick with the sust, and then switch to prop for the last 2 weeks, then good, long PCT.

When I start to plan my next cycle, I will meet a problem what to run with test. I don't like the orals, they just bloat you like water balloon and I loose my appertite etc., but I guess there is no "safe" injectable anabolics more than deca/primobolan which are almost the same..? Tren etc. are little bit too hardcore for me..

**Gekko101** · 07-11-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by skycowboy

I have been using 500 deca per week for 5 weeks now with 500 test e (1st time I’ve tried deca). At week 4 I started having shortness of breath and tightness in the chest and shooting pains in the arm. I went to the doctor yesterday and my bp was 150/90. At my annual physical in March it was 120/80. I stopped using deca on Wednesday and the symptoms are gone now.

Sounds familiar, the shortness of breath and tightness in chest -> I have met those sides also at some point, like in the end of my dbol set last year..

One time before I did any proper cycle, I used some clens to help me with diet. Back then I had those problems, but I never measured the blood pressure. Maybe it was high back then also.

How many days it took after you stopped using deca , to the point where symptoms went away? Shouldn't it be active in your body for almost 2weeks after the shot?

My friend started test+deca cycle last year, and after first shot of 200mg of test and 200mg of deca, he had blood pressure of 185/110, and the cycle had to be ended totally. After that he has done succesful cycles with test only.

it really seems deca is no good for some of us...