Taking a smaller dose of testosterone cypionate

[rendereduseless20]

I am about ready to start a cycle of trenbolone acetate with test cypionate. I was informed that I should take 1000mg of test cypionate each week. I was wondering if taking less would be ok. Or if anybody could recommend a good amount for me. I am starting off at 170 pounds roughly. I am 6 feet tall. thanks!

[GetTheRage]

You should even be cycling you should be working on your diet 170 is light and you can hit 200 easy without juice.
1000mg is a ridiculas dose and you shoudl never need that in your life time.
Whats your age/bf%/cycle history/training experience
Whoever put that cycle together for you has no freaking idea what they are doing and should never be listened too

[rendereduseless20]

I am in solid shape. most cant keep up with me in the gym. I have taken a cycle of anadrol orals. that got me from 155 to about 175, that was a year and a half ago. do you have any recommendations for a more accurate dosage? I know the consequences and possible side effects of taking these. I would just like proper guidance on them. but to answer your question more thoroughly, I am almost 22 years old. I was a college basketball player until i transferred to another school. I still play on a regular basis and i lift 5 days a week.

[GetTheRage]

You should do alot more research and learn what your doing.
There is so much to learn.
Orals only is not a good idea either

[rendereduseless20]

ok, in your opinion, what should i be taking? or are all of them a bad idea?

[GetTheRage]

Yes you should focus on diet since its definitely not what it should be

[rendereduseless20]

I have focused on my diet since i started college....i dont have the kind of time it takes to make every proper meal. I am really looking for advice on what i asked...i dont mean to be rude or anything but if there is anyone out there that can help me and point me in the right direction on how to go about this the safest way possible, that would be very helpful

[ninesecz]

I would never run my Cyp that high and who ever told you to run it that high.. go and slap him. You need to do more research, if you do not even know how much to take, you should not be taking it!! that should be common sense

[rendereduseless20]

common sense would to be doing my research....well, i have not taken it yet. why do you think i am on this site...trying to figure out the proper ways...??? i really wasnt asking for critique, just some recommendations...

[T-MOS]

who told you that you need to run your test that high???

at 6' you should be able to get to and maintain at least 210-220 lbs BEFORE ever considering steroids.

If you can't get to your natural weight, then YOUR DIET is the problem and steroids will only mask that problem for a little while and you will not keep what you gain

you have to learn to EAT TO GROW first !!! How do you expect to maintain gains if you can't even GET TO your natural potential???

and TREN is NOT for the beginner !!!

[Mooseman33]

6' 170, what position in basketball do u play in college with those stats...
eitherway, u need to go to the diet section and get that straight..u are really lite to cycle, let alone 1gram of test a week with tren....
cmon man, i no u wan tto cycle, but wait, eat and train, u will be so much more happy in 1 year when ur 200 natural....

[rendereduseless20]

lol you guys are awesome...

[rendereduseless20]

in case you havent heard or actually play, you dont have to be tall to play basketball nor big.... but thankyou ninesecz for a somewhat clear answer on my original question. I would like a "proper" cycle if at all possible...not a rundown on my diet...i have that part taken care of...and besides...its my mistake to make, i am not that naive though. but i do know what i need to do with my diet....
thanks again!

[Mooseman33]

must not be a competive college basketball program....

anyway, u can research urself, cause u dont know jack about diet with ur stats...IMO
yes they are ur mistakes to make, however some people do not like to aid in ignorance, and i feel thats what we would be doing to give u a "proper cycle"...
research it and figure it out....

good luck kid

[ninesecz]

who told you that you need to run your test that high???

at 6' you should be able to get to and maintain at least 210-220 lbs BEFORE ever considering steroids.

If you can't get to your natural weight, then YOUR DIET is the problem and steroids will only mask that problem for a little while and you will not keep what you gain

you have to learn to EAT TO GROW first !!! How do you expect to maintain gains if you can't even GET TO your natural potential???

and TREN is NOT for the beginner !!!

T-mos I do not disagre with you and I know you def. know your shit but just wondering??? Do you reqlly think that a 6'2" person should really be able to get to lets say 220# before cycling? So you can safely say that someone like Arnold only used the Juice to gain his last 20# of muscle? He was only 235-240# at contest time! Just seems like 220# might be just a bit of a stretch! I could be wrong! I have beed=n wrong before and I will be wrong again but just wondering

[rendereduseless20]

anybody know a good place to gain knowledge on tren and test cyp?

[Mooseman33]

this forum....use the search button man.
it will pull all the info u need up....also check the profile page...

[spooledup]

at 6' you should be able to get to and maintain at least 210-220 lbs BEFORE ever considering steroids.

Disagree entirely.

I'm 6' and I weighed 120lbs when I graduated high school. From age 18-28 I put on 65lbs naturally. At that point I was peaked.

Everyone starts at a different point and peaks out at different weights depending on their genetics.

Personally, I haven't heard of many people on this forum that have put on 65lbs naturally from age 18-28. So I think I did ok.

[alpmaster]

T-mos I do not disagre with you and I know you def. know your shit but just wondering??? Do you reqlly think that a 6'2" person should really be able to get to lets say 220# before cycling? So you can safely say that someone like Arnold only used the Juice to gain his last 20# of muscle? He was only 235-240# at contest time! Just seems like 220# might be just a bit of a stretch! I could be wrong! I have beed=n wrong before and I will be wrong again but just wondering

You're talking about 235lbs at anywhere from 4-5% bodyfat, massive difference.


OP, if you play basketball regularly, why are you trying to gain weight with steroids?

You don't know how to diet with your stats, I'm sorry, but it's the truth. If it sucks to hear, and you want to cycle anyway, then do your own research because no one on this board is going to help you, just the way it is.

[ninesecz]

You're talking about 235lbs at anywhere from 4-5% bodyfat, massive difference.


OP, if you play basketball regularly, why are you trying to gain weight with steroids?

You don't know how to diet with your stats, I'm sorry, but it's the truth. If it sucks to hear, and you want to cycle anyway, then do your own research because no one on this board is going to help you, just the way it is.

That should not matter I am just going on the basis of being abkle to get to 220# lean and mean completly natural! I am 6' and I broke my ass for years and i was able to get to 200# naty and I ws 9% BF and that took me working my ass off! I had 17+" Arms and was pretty strong. I dd not have much luck growing after that point so I can not imagine getting anothe 20+# of muscle from somewhere! I guess it is possible but I know myself I was not going to take 5+ more years to find that out![QUOTE=football1234763119]hey guys, just 2 questions...

[Mooseman33]

Disagree entirely.

I'm 6' and I weighed 120lbs when I graduated high school. From age 18-28 I put on 65lbs naturally. At that point I was peaked.

Everyone starts at a different point and peaks out at different weights depending on their genetics.

Personally, I haven't heard of many people on this forum that have put on 65lbs naturally from age 18-28. So I think I did ok.

graduated highschool at 120......dammit man...
so u were 6' 120? and the reason u put on such good weight in those 10 years is cause u were borderline anorexia....
good job none the less, not taking away from u, but did u get fed in highschool....?

[Ashop]

I am about ready to start a cycle of trenbolone acetate with test cypionate. I was informed that I should take 1000mg of test cypionate each week. I was wondering if taking less would be ok. Or if anybody could recommend a good amount for me. I am starting off at 170 pounds roughly. I am 6 feet tall. thanks!

Whats your past cycle experience. Certainly 1gram per week is more for the advanced,,competetive athlete.

[t-gunz]

T-mos I do not disagre with you and I know you def. know your shit but just wondering??? Do you reqlly think that a 6'2" person should really be able to get to lets say 220# before cycling? So you can safely say that someone like Arnold only used the Juice to gain his last 20# of muscle? He was only 235-240# at contest time! Just seems like 220# might be just a bit of a stretch! I could be wrong! I have beed=n wrong before and I will be wrong again but just wondering

BUMP THIS i know t-mos would have a logical explanation and would be great to here. chime in when you like mate

[RaZZZr]

Hi Useless,

Please tell me what your objectives are ie, strength, bulking, cutting, maintaining.

Reason I ask is cos you don't seem sure about what you're planning on taking.

At your level don't touch Tren let alone 1000mg of Test unless you want some good old fashioned liver damage and Boobs.

It's kinda obvious you're going to do something stupid anyway if we don't give you a cycle, so tell me what your objectives are and i'll give you a safe cycle to stick to.

Cheers

[T-MOS]

T-mos I do not disagre with you and I know you def. know your shit but just wondering??? Do you reqlly think that a 6'2" person should really be able to get to lets say 220# before cycling? So you can safely say that someone like Arnold only used the Juice to gain his last 20# of muscle? He was only 235-240# at contest time! Just seems like 220# might be just a bit of a stretch! I could be wrong! I have beed=n wrong before and I will be wrong again but just wondering

Yes, the height/weight ratio is just a guide, but yes, optimally if a person can't hold onto their natural potential, how can they expect to gain 20-30 lbs on a cycle and hold on to that?

the thing is you need to learn to eat to maintain, or to grow. If you know how to eat to grow, then you will be able to gain to your Natural Potential, after gaining to your natural potential, then adjusting your diet to Keep Steroid Gains will be much easier

If you are 150lbs, and eat 1000 calories to maintain that, then gain 20lbs on a cycle, that 1000 calories will no longer be enough to maintain that. You will need to increase your calories. Which you should have been doing anyway to get to your natural potential

SO, if you are not able to do that without steroids to get to your Natural Potential, how will you just magically do that just because you take a cycle of steroids

that is the number one reason you see how many guys on here doing cycle after cycle and they make gains, then lose them, so they do another cycle and make gains and lose them...... so after 5 cycles they are STILL not even at their natural potential.....they expect that steroids will magically get them bigger but they don't know how to eat to keep those gains.

Keep in mind that Arnold at 240 contest time would normally be 260-280 non contest time

[ZoneBlitz]

Question related to discussion...

Consider that one has their diet and training in check and has been making good progress (growing) in , lets say, the last two years naturally. This person has, for instance, added 20 lbs of muscle in those two years, but he's still 20 lbs lighter than his "natural limit" or his "natural potential". So he's got a solid training routine and an effective diet.

Now why shouldn't this person in my example go on cycle?

Subject is 6'3", 200lbs... And looks exactly like me... Lucky fella

[t-gunz]

Yes, the height/weight ratio is just a guide, but yes, optimally if a person can't hold onto their natural potential, how can they expect to gain 20-30 lbs on a cycle and hold on to that?

the thing is you need to learn to eat to maintain, or to grow. If you know how to eat to grow, then you will be able to gain to your Natural Potential, after gaining to your natural potential, then adjusting your diet to Keep Steroid Gains will be much easier

If you are 150lbs, and eat 1000 calories to maintain that, then gain 20lbs on a cycle, that 1000 calories will no longer be enough to maintain that. You will need to increase your calories. Which you should have been doing anyway to get to your natural potential

SO, if you are not able to do that without steroids to get to your Natural Potential, how will you just magically do that just because you take a cycle of steroids

that is the number one reason you see how many guys on here doing cycle after cycle and they make gains, then lose them, so they do another cycle and make gains and lose them...... so after 5 cycles they are STILL not even at their natural potential.....they expect that steroids will magically get them bigger but they don't know how to eat to keep those gains.

Keep in mind that Arnold at 240 contest time would normally be 260-280 non contest time

nice thanks t-mos makes sense

[T-MOS]

Question related to discussion...

Consider that one has their diet and training in check and has been making good progress (growing) in , lets say, the last two years naturally. This person has, for instance, added 20 lbs of muscle in those two years, but he's still 20 lbs lighter than his "natural limit" or his "natural potential". So he's got a solid training routine and an effective diet.

Now why shouldn't this person in my example go on cycle?

Subject is 6'3", 200lbs... And looks exactly like me... Lucky fella

ya know, your gonna do what you want to do, so just be safe and take all precautions.

I would say if you are making gains, 10lbs of MUSCLE each year is terrific, then keep going natural until those gains stop

and when I say stop, keep in mind that as you gain muscle, you have to CONSTANTLY adjust your diet and calorie intake to MAINTAIN that muscle and continue to grow

you can't eat 1000 calories at 200 lbs and expect that same amount of calories to maintain you at 220,or 230....

The bigger the engine gets, the more fuel its gonna need to keep it moving !!!

[ZoneBlitz]

Thank you T-Mos for the explanation.

The more I learn here the more I understand that I'm probably not ready to cycle just yet.

[xo3et]

Just read this entire thread and its reading this kind of thing which is wanting me to hit 205-210 Naturally before i cycle.

[ZoneBlitz]

Ever since I put a decent diet together almost two years ago, I've been making progress like I never thought possible. I vastly underestimated the importance of the proper diet prior to that.

I'm still making gains so I figure the best course of action now would be to listen to T-Mos and Big and others who are wiser than I concerning such things and hold off on the pharmaceuticals for another year.

Funny, I never figured when i was making an account here that I'd be talked OUT of usig AAS!

But I surely am more knowledgeable now thanks to this place.

I'd be foolish not no listen.

[lovbyts]

It seems most people still dont want to do what is healthy and eat right, they just want that magic pill/shot and skip all the other stuff.

GUYS, it is about diet. Yes you will gain with steroids, you wont keep it though if your diet is not in check. My first cycle I hardly lost anything due to diet and it was not perfect but a LOT better thanks to this forum.

If you are NOT willing to take the time to research the diet sections (READ it now matter what you THINK you know) and get your diet in check 90% you have no business doing a cycle. If you have not read/researched the diet section here then you DONT know about diet.....

[lovbyts]

Double post but it was worth saying 2x

[Daniel_l]

All this stuff may cause prostatitis !
chronic prostatitis

[lovbyts]

All this stuff may cause prostatitis !
chronic prostatitis

LOL, GREAT first post. WOW!!!! none of us new that....

Obviously YOU need to stay away from ALL of these and Obviously you have NO clue what this site is really about.

[rendereduseless20]

razzzr, thanks for helping me out.
I have gotten some pretty awful reactions from my post. I started at about 145 ...i gained about 30 pounds, so im roughly 175 on a good day..i currently go to school so i am not always eating the proper meal and getting the adament requirements of calories....i am doing my best though. It will only get better. I want to be at about 195 - 200 ...that is all i want... i know i will be able to maintain that weight. i want to be solid and strong. I lift 5 days a week and exercise regularly. I want to do a cycle. I am willing to listen and willing to wait. I just want to make sure I am doing things correctly and i honestly just want a guided opinion on what I should do if i do decide to do a cycle. everyone is different ya know...not everyones "natty potential" is 210-220 pounds... but anyways, hope you get back to me, and thanks again!

[RaZZZr]

Hi Useless,

Sorry for the late reply, been away from home for a few days.

Please tell me how old you are? It is important to be honest. :-)

Cheers

[rendereduseless20]

I am 21

[RaZZZr]

I take it you're not in School School then........? More like college or tertiary education?

[RaZZZr]

So, have you cycled before?