Those of you who Know, Little help Please!

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 02:52 PM

Ok, I am an endurance racer....80mi+ non stop races. . Please help, what should i take.. Power to weight ratio is impt.. no water retention, not looking for huge weight gains. I have EIA ( excersise induced asthma) and took Masteron 4 months ago and it totally wiped it out.. made me super lungs.. but I also want a big libido kick.. Over 40 and want some more drive. Didn't really get that with 100mg a week of the Masteron. Dont really want to take over 200mg a week of anything. Taking cyp. now and big mistake. Sweating like crazy,moody,water retention.. So, lean, power, endurance, good carb synthesis.

Thanks for your help and ideas.

**ninesecz** · 07-16-2009, 02:59 PM

My Brother is 41 and does 1/2 and full Triathlons which are 4-10hr races. He wanted a little somethin extra so we tried him on a course of Anavar for 8 weeks. he is in week 4 right now (50mg Ed) and he says his lifting stamina is getting better. is able to do a bunch more reps with the same weight already and also said that whe n he gets on his last set instead of being wiped out, he still has a bunch of reserve also got him some clen but he is stopping it because he was not drinking enough and as starting to make him winded

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 03:03 PM

oral or inj. I grew up in the late 80's when everyone took stuff in High school for football and make the chics like you. Anavar was over used at that time and many had bad side effects. Good clean stuff or not? Thanks

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 03:10 PM

did a bit of research... maybe the guys back in the day were taking 500mg/day.. I dont know. It sounds like the goods for me.. One question? what about the sex drive part? Anavar 60-80mgs/day ok.

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 03:16 PM

crap man that stuff is high... What dose is your brother on.. 60-80 per day would cost a fortune.

**Ripped Mass** · 07-16-2009, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by enduranceguy

crap man that stuff is high... What dose is your brother on.. 60-80 per day would cost a fortune.

Yes that stuff is very pricey, one of the most expensive compounds out there (primobolan is another one), do not think it would do anything for your sex drive-I know some people use it to bridge between cycles so might supress your natural test? Perhaps some nolva would help? You could always try a very light dose of test propionate -say 50mg EOD if you just want a little boost.

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 03:32 PM

heard that stuff hurts. EOD, 21g-23g or can you use pins to stick prop?

**TractionIssues** · 07-16-2009, 03:47 PM

Prop will give you alot less sweaty, mood, and water retention, and pinning would be ED, not EOD. Depending on where you pin 23g-25g, about 1 inch long, is good. Although before you start taking steroids to improve you performance, what does your diet look like? Diet will offer much better results esspecially for an endrance athlete. Also do you compete professionally? Testing might be a problem for you.

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 05:09 PM

yes and no, raced in the national finals last year but no testing. Maybe I spoke with out knowledge. Can you take prop with less than a 23g. 23 is fine though. Shoulder ok . Just wondering. EOD could wear your butt out. Diet is good. Mostly organic. Good ceral and eggs, subway turkey, chicken and broccoli for dinner, etc.. Do you agree with Anavar . 40-50mg ok. Man its costly.. Piggy back with prop for the male vigor part. Heard prop hurts? thanksl

**TractionIssues** · 07-16-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by enduranceguy

yes and no, raced in the national finals last year but no testing. Maybe I spoke with out knowledge. Can you take prop with less than a 23g. 23 is fine though. Shoulder ok . Just wondering. EOD could wear your butt out. Diet is good. Mostly organic. Good ceral and eggs, subway turkey, chicken and broccoli for dinner, etc.. Do you agree with Anavar. 40-50mg ok. Man its costly.. Piggy back with prop for the male vigor part. Heard prop hurts? thanksl

Your an endurance athelete and thing that barely resembles carbs is cereal, which I don't recommend. Your diet needs some SERIOUS work. Yes Prop MIGHT hurt depending on the product, but if you can't man it up, you shouldn;t be doing steroids . And lastly you said EOD could wear your butt out? It is really not a good idea to only use the glute as an injection site, you really need to switch it up, and I also told you before, Prop should be shot ED not EOD.

**marcus300** · 07-16-2009, 05:18 PM

Have you considered taking clen an hour before your perform?

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 05:21 PM

was hopping for some relief but I hear ya... ED. I do eat more carbs. Cliff bars, fruit ( I know insulin spikes) rice, pasta..etc... I train with Hammer Nutrition supplements. I have done 25hrs, over 125 miles straight totally on powder supplements.. They are the bomb.. no sugars. Check out thier sight. They know the body. Protein (whey) at night( on training days) etc... should have been clearer. Thanks so much for all your wisdom. The local bodybuilder, who you get stuff from, may have been on a stage but he dont know jack about what everything is. I'm ok with ED. This corn oil cyp. I am taking now is jacking me up though. Never had this problem . Granted it has been 12 yrs but still. Knots and 3-4 days of pain almost every time./ Do you agree though that Anavar and Prop is a good mix.

**TractionIssues** · 07-16-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Have you considered taking clen an hour before your perform?

That wouldn't be a good idea for an Endurance athlete, they need to keep their heart rate as low as possible to be able to cover such long distances. Clen would give him a good bost at the beginning but then wear his out shortly after.

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 05:22 PM

Clen , no I haven't./ Dont know much about it. Thought it was the stuff you cut with precontest.

**TractionIssues** · 07-16-2009, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by enduranceguy

was hopping for some relief but I hear ya... ED. I do eat more carbs. Cliff bars, fruit ( I know insulin spikes) rice, pasta..etc... I train with Hammer Nutrition supplements. I have done 25hrs, over 125 miles straight totally on powder supplements.. They are the bomb.. no sugars. Check out thier sight. They know the body. Protein (whey) at night( on training days) etc... should have been clearer. Thanks so much for all your wisdom. The local bodybuilder, who you get stuff from, may have been on a stage but he dont know jack about what everything is. I'm ok with ED. This corn oil cyp. I am taking now is jacking me up though. Never had this problem . Granted it has been 12 yrs but still. Knots and 3-4 days of pain almost every time./ Do you agree though that Anavar and Prop is a good mix.

Eating carbs from food is more important that taking supps while doing it, as taking a regular intake of carbs will over time increase your ability to store carbs and increase your glycogen levels, with proper training of course.

**marcus300** · 07-16-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by TractionIssues

That wouldn't be a good idea for an Endurance athlete, they need to keep their heart rate as low as possible to be able to cover such long distances. Clen would give him a good bost at the beginning but then wear his out shortly after.

Yes it would for someone who has EIA, it will dramaticly increase his ability, ive also know two other endurance athletes who use this before comps and swear by it, its worth a try for sure IMHO.

**marcus300** · 07-16-2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by enduranceguy

Clen , no I haven't./ Dont know much about it. Thought it was the stuff you cut with precontest.

It can be used many ways.

**TractionIssues** · 07-16-2009, 05:31 PM

True he has EIA... well I'm not sure how it would react over a 25 hour run, but I guess he could try and see... I don't think it's good for the heart rate over long term, might even be dangerous, but I guess it might help him breathe better if thats how your looking at it...

**marcus300** · 07-16-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by TractionIssues

True he has EIA... well I'm not sure how it would react over a 25 hour run, but I guess he could try and see... I don't think it's good for the heart rate over long term, might even be dangerous, but I guess it might help him breathe better if thats how your looking at it...

The way its used is in small dosages and nothing like when cutting, ive seen is help people with the same condition dramaticly, IMHO it worth a try thats why I asked the question!

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 05:35 PM

you talking about CLen or Anavar ... under its profile it states that it is great for your lungs and would be good for boxers and other athletes. Dude, seriously I took 100mg once a week of Masteron and no more EIA. Just didn't get any increase in sex drive from it so I wanted to try something else. I really am not looking to become Lance just like everybody else. No EIA.. sucks when you cant breathe. I can train and get stronger on my own but when you cant train right or hard because you cant breathe or get above 160bpm without your lungs closing, you cant do much. thanks for the help

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 05:42 PM

We talking about Clen or Avar

**marcus300** · 07-16-2009, 05:44 PM

Clen of course,

**Twist** · 07-16-2009, 06:08 PM

over 40, trt? lower dose than 200mgs a week and once levels stabilize he would be better off no?

**enduranceguy** · 07-16-2009, 06:19 PM

thanks yall for the help... love wisdom and good advise. Ask a few more tomorrow. My wife is worried about the norm/ dont want to hurt our chances to have kids. Have Nolvadex for PST, hope I figure this out.