prop 8 or 10 wks or enan 10 wks for first time

[nbaylot33]

I was wondering what would be the better for a first cycle?

1 )Test Prop 8 wks 130mgs eod
2 )Test Prop 10wks 100mgs eod wks 1-6 and 130mgs eod wks 7-10
3 )Test Enan 10wks 250mgs 2x week

Stats
age 22
6'0
213 lbs
12.5 % bf
lifting 6 years

My reasoning for tapering up on cycle 2 is I wanted to keep under 4g's of Test prop since thats all I have and the fact I'm using less than 150mgs in the first proposed cycle. I have no problems with injecting eod. I have nolva and clomid for pct.

[ninesecz]

I would say iof you are running E you would need to ru n it more than 10 weeks because of the long ester so you would need to go 12 weeks with that
If you are running the prop 8-10 weeks is for sure long enough but 65mg Ed is only like 450mg Ew would need to run like the equivilent of 75mg Ed to get to 500mg a week

[RANA]

I would say iof you are running E you would need to ru n it more than 10 weeks because of the long ester so you would need to go 12 weeks with that
If you are running the prop 8-10 weeks is for sure long enough but 65mg Ed is only like 450mg Ew would need to run like the equivilent of 75mg Ed to get to 500mg a week

Agree^^^ I would wait to obtain more, if you start you will regret not trying to get more. Run your test E 12 weeks

[nbaylot33]

Well, I have realized that but doesn't prop have mg per mg more test in it so I think enanthate gets like 70mgs per 100mgs and prop gets something like 84mgs per 100mgs so it comes out to be like 395mgs for 455mgs per week for test prop and 385mgs for 500mgs of test enan. I may be wrong but just want some info.

[RANA]

Well, I have realized that but doesn't prop have mg per mg more test in it so I think enanthate gets like 70mgs per 100mgs and prop gets something like 84mgs per 100mgs so it comes out to be like 395mgs for 455mgs per week for test prop and 385mgs for 500mgs of test enan. I may be wrong but just want some info.

"the longer the ester on the testosterone is, the longer the steroid is active in your body, and the less actual test you get. This is because, for every 100mgs of testosterone cypionate you inject, only 69.90mgs of it is actually testosterone, the rest is the cypionate ester, which must be removed. On the other hand, with the propionate ester you´ll get 83.72mgs of Testosterone! The advantage to longer esters is that they need to be injected less frequently (test prop needs to be injected every other day while you can shoot test cyp once a week). The disadvantage to long estered steroids is that they contain less actual steroid."

A couple things you need to figure out, do you have enough to prop for 8 weeks at the right dosage or do you have enough to do at least 12 weeks of Test E. For most you will bloat up on Test E and usually not on prop.

[nbaylot33]

I have 4g's of prop and 2g's of enan. I could run up to 140mg's eod of the prop to last 8wks or run 500mgs of enan for 10wks. What if I use 10ml of prop to help kickstart the enan and just run the enan for 10wks?

[TractionIssues]

I have 4g's of prop and 2g's of enan. I could run up to 140mg's eod of the prop to last 8wks or run 500mgs of enan for 10wks. What if I use 10ml of prop to help kickstart the enan and just run the enan for 10wks?

Is there a reason you want to use E so badly? I prefer Prop in every way over E. Unless of course...... your a pvssy? lol.

[nbaylot33]

I'd rather run prop. But by their replys they would rather me run enan, due to the amount I would use and have.

[TractionIssues]

Well it is a little under 500mg/week, and 8 weeks is fine for prop. There's no reason you can't just run the prop alone. Although I would suggest you pin ED and not EOD. Will give you the best results.

[nbaylot33]

so prop at 8 wks at 130-140mgs eod or 65 -70mgs ed would be better? than say 500mgs of enan for 10wks. the prop comes out to be about 455mgs (65ed)-490mgs(70ed) per week

[TractionIssues]

Yes there's no problem running that. Alot of people run 50mg/ED of prop and still get very nice gains, either way everyone reacts different, so do it and you will see how it works for you. Although before you do it, if you truly want to maximize your results I highly suggest you go to the diet section and get your diet tweaked, you wont regret it!

[nbaylot33]

Thanks alot for the quick responses! I've been dieting down to get as much fat off before I start, to reduce sides and such. Now I'm ready to get back mass from a clean bulk. Is there a particular diet that you have seen that would be beneficial from such a cycle.

[TractionIssues]

Thanks alot for the quick responses! I've been dieting down to get as much fat off before I start, to reduce sides and such. Now I'm ready to get back mass from a clean bulk. Is there a particular diet that you have seen that would be beneficial from such a cycle.

A diet that will work for one person will not necessarily work for another. That is why diets are personalized. You would need to put up a diet that you like to eat, and the people in the diet section will help you modify it to give you the best results. If you post one now I can give you a hand. You will also be asked to calculate your BMR, and food will have to be calculated in macros, by using sites like www.fitday.com. It is some work but definitely worth it. Diet is the path to success.

[nbaylot33]

meal 1
5 egg whites 1 full egg, 1 cup oats( plain) 1 cup cottage cheese
meal 2
1 apple and a tuna and egg sandwich with a little bit of light mayo
meal 3
chicken breast (some soy sauce added) 1 cup of whole wheat pasta and a spoonful of peanut butter
meal 4 (pre workout)
two pieces of white bread, some creatine and bcaa's
meal 5 (post workout)
Shake - cottage cheese,low fat yogurt,scoop protein,splenda,skim milk, a little oats
meal 6
Lean ground beef, some swiss cheese and veggies

[TractionIssues]

Not here lol, in the Diet Section, you can get to it by using this link:

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[nbaylot33]

A diet that will work for one person will not necessarily work for another. That is why diets are personalized. You would need to put up a diet that you like to eat, and the people in the diet section will help you modify it to give you the best results. If you post one now I can give you a hand. You will also be asked to calculate your BMR, and food will have to be calculated in macros, by using sites like www.fitday.com. It is some work but definitely worth it. Diet is the path to success.

Lol you asked me too

[sigman roid]

I'd run the test e for 12 wks not 10 for a 1st cycle i wouldnt do prop first time around simply because you have to inject more often.

[TractionIssues]

A diet that will work for one person will not necessarily work for another. That is why diets are personalized. You would need to put up a diet that you like to eat, and the people in the diet section will help you modify it to give you the best results. If you post one now I can give you a hand. You will also be asked to calculate your BMR, and food will have to be calculated in macros, by using sites like www.fitday.com. It is some work but definitely worth it. Diet is the path to success.

Hehe...

[TractionIssues]

I'd run the test e for 12 wks not 10 for a 1st cycle i wouldnt do prop first time around simply because you have to inject more often.

If he has the balls to inject ED why are you taking that away from him? Lol, I'm completely the other way around, I try to get the pussies to do Prop instead of E because it's a much better source of test, and less sides.

[nbaylot33]

I don't really mind the frequent injections.

[Twist]

If he has the balls to inject ED why are you taking that away from him? Lol, I'm completely the other way around, I try to get the pussies to do Prop instead of E because it's a much better source of test, and less sides.

why not start with prop and end with e? or the other way around?

[nbaylot33]

Hehe...

fine lol

[nbaylot33]

why not start with prop and end with e? or the other way around?

Yeah I stated that earlier that I would do that. Like kickstart with prop and end with E or something else proposed.

[peteroy01]

i would start with the Test E and end with the Prop cause im vain. you'll drop some water after the Test E and flaunt what you've grown with the Prop. oh and i hate waiting 2wks to start PCT.

[Twist]

2x I always end with prop... but I kickstart it with prop too.

[TractionIssues]

Or he could just do Prop all the way and get the best results overall?

[Twist]

I only do prop anyway... but if I had some enanthate... well why not?

[TractionIssues]

If you got it for free I guess, but if you don't mind injecting ED, why waste your money on Enan?

[Twist]

he said he has it. plus if I had enanthate I would inject it everyday. Plus if I could get a long ester it would save me money cuz my friend only makes propionate and charges about the same as a good pair of shoes. so it would save me money.

plus he has 2gs of enanthate.

[nbaylot33]

so 10 wks E and end on 2 wks of prop to add up to 12 wks?

[TractionIssues]

so 10 wks E and end on 2 wks of prop to add up to 12 wks?

Lol Just do the Prop... Leave the E maybe for a time when you are using other long estered compounds like Deca or something.

[peteroy01]

he has 2gs of Test E so that would give him 500mg per wk for 4wks. or he could frontload and have 3wks worth. he has 4g of Prop and at 140mg eod that would give him a little over 8wks worth. so 11wks total w/frontload. seems like a good cycle to me. he has everything he needs, can start now, and not have to worry about ordering again. simper gumby

[nbaylot33]

lol sounds good to me, I'll use it for next cycle with deca or eq.

[nbaylot33]

I ment 20ml's of enanthate forgot about the 250mg/ml part. my bad and 40mls of prop

[peteroy01]

cool. man good, good luck. damn me and traction r just butting heads all over this forum today.

[nbaylot33]

I like being fought over lol

[peteroy01]

sux for me cause he won. or will he? cause after you start sticking its hard to stop!!!!!!

[nbaylot33]

convince me then
lol here it goes

[TractionIssues]

sux for me cause he won. or will he? cause after you start sticking its hard to stop!!!!!!

Hehe no hard feelings...

[peteroy01]

non at all. Satan puts a mark on the lost side.