whats the best test to buy

[lee.jones73]

i used test enathate but lost weight on it?
also tryed test deport brown amp that was ok but expensive

is there any other good tsets for a bulking cycle

[forza nuova]

this is a joke right,

[Ernst]

What exactly are you asking? Is one ester or brand better than another? Test is test is test. If it's legit, then it's all good. Some people may prefer certain brands for smoothness or whatever, or certain esters for various reasons. If you can afford and procure legit human pharm grade then that's the best.

[lee.jones73]

yeh of course well everyone recommending test but like i allready said i had 3courses of test e and lost weight each time

so woundered if there any over stuff out there which i dont know about

[Ernst]

You're losing weight every time? Post up your stats, diet, and split for member review. Include a cycle layout that you use or have used.

[lee.jones73]

i normally use sust but know most people on here dont like muilti easters

[t-gunz]

if you are happy with the sust as a AAS then use that.
if you lost weights theres a few reason:
1) gear was bunk causing nothing to happen to your body
2) your diet was off.
3) maybe to much cardio

you can cut or bulk with steroids just depends on your goals

[lee.jones73]

You're losing weight every time? Post up your stats, diet, and split for member review. Include a cycle layout that you use or have used.

stats were

6 foot
232pounds
body fat not a clue but 34inch waiste

my cycle was 4ml a week 1000mg aweek over 12weeks

then my weight went down to 221pounds but kept my strengh it seemed to harding me out and shape me more

my diet was ok nothing special eat what i wanted if im to be honest

my previous cycle was sust 4ml a week and same sort of diet and my stats then was

215pounds and at end of that cycle i was 236pounds

inbetween the cycles i have 10weeks off take hcg and clomids and tamox

[forza nuova]

your gear was 100% fake

[lee.jones73]

if you are happy with the sust as a AAS then use that.
if you lost weights theres a few reason:
1) gear was bunk causing nothing to happen to your body
2) your diet was off.
3) maybe to much cardio

you can cut or bulk with steroids just depends on your goals

dont think it was bunk because i bought in bulk and some of my friends had some off me and they put on weight about 8pounds in 4 to 5weeks

didnt do much cardio as im a security guard so not that active

dont know if there diffrent company who makes it but mine was the iran stuff

[lee.jones73]

best stuff i ever had and gained weight was ganobol it came in 50ml bottle in green box if i rember correctly i gained 210pounds to 252 lol

[tboney]

1000mgs per week!.... Still lost weight? Fake gear!

[Chev]

Why would you need 1000 per week???

[slugtastic]

did you Edited while on this cycle??? because that will make u lose weight....... but even then with that much test u would of put on weight...

[me fein]

i used the iran test e in my 1st cycle and put on over 20 pounds but i was eating like a horse all good food....worked for me

[ninesecz]

You had fake gear!!! You should always show some weight gain. there is always a certain amount of "bloat" and there should be no way you lost weight unless you forgot to eat did 4 hours of cardio a day and yes Edited

[lee.jones73]

like i said i bought in bulk and the rest of the boys which had some off me put weight on but i lost weight

[kojak_x]

did you Edited while on this cycle??? because that will make u lose weight....... but even then with that much test u would of put on weight...

you caught me of guard but that comment just made me piss myself.

[T-MOS]

Losing or gaining weight is ALL about your DIET
as you stated you had NO set diet,so there in lies your problem
Steroids are NOT magic, they need consistent intake of proper foods in order to work

also I have been doing this for over 10 years and NEVER have I EVER needed 1000mgs/week of test in ANY CYCLE

If you can't gain off 500-600 mgs/week then YOU are doing things wrong !!!!! Do NOT rely on steroids to DO ALL THE WORK,....you will be disappointed every time cause you will lose whatever you may have gained

sounds like you need to go back to the drawing board and start with DIET 101

[jamyjamjr]

how bout you post up a detailed diet???

let's figure out what the problem is..

btw i 100% agree with T-MOS... there's a very very good chance your diet needs revision

[Big]

my diet was ok nothing special eat what i wanted if im to be honest

...there's a very very good chance your diet needs revision

ya think? lol

[c-Z]

i used test enathate but lost weight on it?
also tryed test deport brown amp that was ok but expensive

is there any other good tsets for a bulking cycle

Lost weight? Fix your diet. Go buy gnc supplements. Steroids aren't for you yet.

[c-Z]

OMFG 1000mgs a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE U crazy... Just go to gnc...... You have much to learn.

[lee.jones73]

did you Edited while on this cycle??? because that will make u lose weight....... but even then with that much test u would of put on weight...

dont smoke or drink much

[lee.jones73]

Losing or gaining weight is ALL about your DIET
as you stated you had NO set diet,so there in lies your problem
Steroids are NOT magic, they need consistent intake of proper foods in order to work

also I have been doing this for over 10 years and NEVER have I EVER needed 1000mgs/week of test in ANY CYCLE

If you can't gain off 500-600 mgs/week then YOU are doing things wrong !!!!! Do NOT rely on steroids to DO ALL THE WORK,....you will be disappointed every time cause you will lose whatever you may have gained

sounds like you need to go back to the drawing board and start with DIET 101

i have done now done that cycle a while ago after reading on here you guys have helped me out alot in understanding diet but got that sorted now

[lee.jones73]

ya think? lol

big you very well respected and i know you know your shit but i eat the same when was on a sust cycle and gained alot of weight

[lee.jones73]

OMFG 1000mgs a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE U crazy... Just go to gnc...... You have much to learn.

did have lot to learn im talking a long time ago

my normall weight is 14.7stone and im now 16.9stone so must be doing something right my diet i think is really good now thanks to you guys on here helped me out alot

but all im saying test dont work for me i lost weight 3times on each cycle it harden me up and shaped me more but lost weight

but with sust i put on weight even when my diet was all messed up

but now im back on turkish sust 2weeks today and my diet is really good now

[Big]

big you very well respected and i know you know your shit but i eat the same when was on a sust cycle and gained alot of weight

that's just it, you can not continue to eat the same and still grow. lets say for the sake of argument someone is 150lbs, then they increase their diet to a point that brings them over time to 180lbs. if they continue to follow that same diet, they will not gain another 30lbs in the same time frame. if their diet supports 180lbs, that's where they stay.
you either have diet issues, and/or bunk/underdosed gear. there is simply no way that with perfect nutrition of a bulking diet legit test e will make you lose weight, assuming all stats are in place that should be before a cycle starts.

[Shurik]

Maybe your friends gave you trenbolone without even knowing it

[jamyjamjr]

post up a diet bro.. let's get to the bottom of this...

i deal with people with the same issue u have everyday.. take the time to work with me and i'll tell you whether your gear is bunk....

better yet, work through my sticky.. i usualy reserve this souly for the diet section..


Welcome to the diet forum....

please take the time to follow these directions, they will better prepair the both of us for the critique and tweaking of your diet..

you need to figure our your BMR (this is the basal metabolic rate of your body... which means if you were to do nothing all day, ur body would burn these many calories)

once u'v figured out your BMR, u need your TDEE (this is your total daily energy expenditure, it's based upon your activity level)


But first things first, please post up your current diet.. you have to be brutally honest about what you've been eating on average for the last few weeks so i know where your metabolism is at..
please include macros

MACROS = pro/fat/cal/carb of every meal and a daily total on the bottom
you can use fitday . com to help you our with this... be as detailed and specific as possible

please include the time of when u eat and the time of your workout

also tell me what your workout reg is...



BMR formula


BMR (men and women) = 370 + (21.6 X lean mass in kg)



in order to figure out your bmr, you need to know what your lean body mass is.. so, in turn, u need to know what your body fat percentage is...

if you dont know your bodyfat percentage, go to your gym and get tested (please dont use electronic scales to get your bf checked, they're horrible)

if you cannot find a gym to get tested at, please post up a picture for estimates, we're pretty good at it (you also have the option of pming it to me if you have more then 25 posts)

Total weight x bf in decimel form = total bf weight

Total weight - total bf weight = total lean body mass

if your total lean body mass is in lbs, u can divide it by 2.2 to get it in kilograms..

for example..

i am 6'4 275lbs at 14% bf... so i would multiply 275 by .14 (converted from percent to decimal)= 38.5lbs

275 - 38.5 = 236.5lbs lean body weight

236.5 / 2.2 = 107.5 lean mass in kg

370 + (21.6 x 107.5) = 2692 BMR (this is high for the average person, im a big guy)

TDEE

Once u have you bmr, u need to calculate your TDEE, this is simply done with some multiplication...

you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9



Once you have your TDEE, i need you to watch these videos

Milos Sarcev "Secret of the Pro's" on Nutrition

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

this video will give you a great idea as to what your diet should be looking like and the foods you should be eating..

it's also very informative as to how dieting works and what you need to be doing..


once you've aquired this vast knowledge and done what i'v asked of you, please post up a new diet for critiquing and finalization...
please include macros and times just as before...


try to remember that dieting is not an overnight thing.. it takes time and patience....

[ninesecz]

More food! More food! M0re food!! It always comes down to the diet

[Shurik]

Ya but if even if he did have bad diet. He should not be loosing weight, not to mention 20 pounds every time. If anything he should of at least gained the water weight that comes with a gram of test a week. Unless he just looses a lot of body fat and retains his muscle.

[marcus300]

If your Test is legit, its all good, Test is Test its just the delivery whats different. I think your diet needs re-designing or you have bunk gear.

[lee.jones73]

told you all i had same gear as everybody else i sold it to them and they gained weight and i lost.

i had same diet and took sust and gained alot of weight.

but thats a long time ago but now thanks to you guys ive sorted my diet out and gaining weight nicely but on turkish sust now

[Skippa]

my cycle was 4ml a week 1000mg aweek over 12weeks

I had a friend a while back who was best mates with a pharmacist. "apparently" he was told he could take as high as 6 ml a week of sust. Done it for 2 weeks and had heart problems....soon aborted that idea. lol what a knob! Suppose that's why doctors prescribe dosage amounts not pharmacists....<--- there's my 5c worth anyway, not helpfull tho

[gymnerd]

This is why I will only use Pharma grade test from here on out from a trusted source. I would rather wait and save my pennies and get HG test than get some hit or miss UGL test just my .002

[fozy]

Why would you need 1000 per week???

Just curious why this is so outrages. I see most of the guys on here stacking drugs that are close to or surpass 1000 total mg a week. Just curious why 1000mgs of T is so different then stacking say deca and sust ( seams to be common 500/400)

I did a gram back in the day just test ( never do it again ) and all i saw from 750 -1000 was side effects. Young and dumb (by young I mean early/mid 20's)

These days I see absolutely no need to go above 500mg of any substance unless you are trying to make a living out of it. imo

I just don't get why stacking is accepted and a high dose of one drug is not

[lee.jones73]

Just curious why this is so outrages. I see most of the guys on here stacking drugs that are close to or surpass 1000 total mg a week. Just curious why 1000mgs of T is so different then stacking say deca and sust ( seams to be common 500/400)

I did a gram back in the day just test ( never do it again ) and all i saw from 750 -1000 was side effects. Young and dumb (by young I mean early/mid 20's)

These days I see absolutely no need to go above 500mg of any substance unless you are trying to make a living out of it. imo

I just don't get why stacking is accepted and a high dose of one drug is not

was loseing waight with 500mg a week so uped the doesage and nothing changed

[iigood]

sust is the easiest to get in most asian and eurpean countries only about Edited

[jamyjamjr]

was loseing waight with 500mg a week so uped the doesage and nothing changed

ill say it agian.. your diet needs to be looked over and your gear might have been bad....

the choice is yours though..


btw. i put on 35lbs on 500mg sust a week for 10 weeks..