My First Cycle (Sust 250,D-Bol,Deca 300)

[feeldapump89]

Just started my first cycle any feedback would be great. Specs: 5'11 185lbs work out 5 days a week eating high carbs and protein. I ran dbol at 40mgs a day for the first 2.5 weeks cause i had to wait to obtain the other gear. So far i have seen a 8lb increase on the first week and almost an inch up on the arms with great pump. Just took first Poke yesterday of sust and deca, Im hopping to increase to 200lbs by the end of this cycle.

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mgs ED
Week 2.5-12 Sust 250 500mgs per week injections split sunday/wednesday
Week 2.5-12 Deca 300 600mgs per week injections split sunday/wednesday

PCT-
2 weeks after last injections planning to run nolva or clomid.

Few of my questions are how long should i run the deca is 10 weeks normal? I also have access to Test E vs using Sust 250 any suggestions on which to use? I also use creatine at the moment should i stop the use of this when the sust and deca take affect and continue post cycle? This being my first cycle im very excited and looking forward to logging my progress. Any advice and help is greatly appreciated and critisism welcome. If theres any other info you need stated please request.

[Matt]

When did you start this cycle??

[Matt]

Forget that i see about a week ago...

Imo your doing this all wrong lol, first cycle should be one compound only.

That compound should be test. Deca is not a steroid that should be used on a first cycle.

You shouldnt be running dbol without test.

How old are you and where did you do your reaserch???

[feeldapump89]

When did you start this cycle??

Started the dbol 2.5 weeks ago and had my first Poke yesterday of sust and deca.

[hankdiesel]

Started the dbol 2.5 weeks ago and had my first Poke yesterday of sust and deca.

You don't need all that. You'll se awesome gains from the test and dbol. I'd stop the deca now. One shot is fine. Save the other 19ml for a future cyle. Trust me. If you take all this now, where do you go from here?

[hankdiesel]

How about an answer to the "How old are you and where did you do your research" question?

[feeldapump89]

Forget that i see about a week ago...

Imo your doing this all wrong lol, first cycle should be one compound only.

That compound should be test. Deca is not a steroid that should be used on a first cycle.

You shouldnt be running dbol without test.

How old are you and where did you do your reaserch???

Ive heard its better too run your first cycle a single compound too see how you react but have heard great results with deca and have been recommended it by my source. I no i shouldnt have ran dbol without test thats why i obtained the sust 250 and injected asap. Other than the fact i started the test a little late what else am i doing wrong? I am 20yrs old and have been coasting through various forums and websites. These are the compounds i have easy quick access to and i am trying to do the best with what i got. So perhaps i should save the deca for my next cycle? Any feedback on Sust 250 vs Test E ? Thanks again for any advice all is welcome.

[Matt]

Again imo lol your far to young but if your going to do this then yes drop the deca, of course your source is going to recomend it lol, your paying him.


I would go with the test e, 400mg each week slit that into two shots of 200mg every 3.5 days.

The weight gains you have experienced will be water retention...

[grapejuice11]

man that sus is going to hurt! i wouldnt do that for my first cycle id suggest test e or test c

[feeldapump89]

man that sus is going to hurt! i wouldnt do that for my first cycle id suggest test e or test c

What you mean its going to hurt? My source injected me yesterday and i didnt feel a thing. Is there pain too come?

[feeldapump89]

Again imo lol your far to young but if your going to do this then yes drop the deca, of course your source is going to recomend it lol, your paying him.


I would go with the test e, 400mg each week slit that into two shots of 200mg every 3.5 days.

The weight gains you have experienced will be water retention...

I no alot of people recommend not doing steroids at this age but i have made my mind up. My source is also a good friend of mine and is not the type to try and push steroids on me. He simply recommened deca as a aid too the sust and to deal with joint pain. But he also has Test E so you think i should drop the sust and deca and just poke test e at 400mgs per week for what 10 weeks?

[Matt]

The reason im not a fan of sus is because it should really be shoot ed or at least eod and thats to much for me lol.

Most first cycles start with test e because it only has to be shoot twice a week...

Yeah drop the deca for sure lol, if your ok with ed or eod shoots then stick with the sus..

[feeldapump89]

The reason im not a fan of sus is because it should really be shoot ed or at least eod and thats to much for me lol.

Most first cycles start with test e because it only has to be shoot twice a week...

Yeah drop the deca for sure lol, if your ok with ed or eod shoots then stick with the sus..

So currently shooting it twice a week every 3.5 days is somewhat not efficient? I heard you can still get away with shooting it like this but like you said its more designed as a ed or eod injection. As far as gains and such will i see a difference between the two?

[Chitown Raider]

The reason im not a fan of sus is because it should really be shoot ed or at least eod and thats to much for me lol.

Most first cycles start with test e because it only has to be shoot twice a week...

Yeah drop the deca for sure lol, if your ok with ed or eod shoots then stick with the sus..

Isn't sus a esther as well as the Test E?

[Chitown Raider]

man that sus is going to hurt! i wouldnt do that for my first cycle id suggest test e or test c

Those are basically the same thing.

[feeldapump89]

Those are basically the same thing.

Yea they both contain esters only difference being the sust is released slower i think.

[HORSE]

Isn't sus a esther as well as the Test E?

No it is not, it is a brand name of test that has four different ester's attached to the testosterone hormone....


Ester's effect a hormone's half life/active life, they do not make it an altogether different hormone, test E, D, C, PP or P are all still just Test, they just have different half live's....

[HORSE]

Yea they both contain esters only difference being the sust is released slower i think.

LOL, Sust is not an ester, it is a blend of testosterone that contains four different ester's....

[hankdiesel]

Of coarse you "source" told you to take deca. He makes money when you buy more gear from him.

[Immortal Soldier]

Was your source SeriousMass?

[ZoneBlitz]

Although Sust has slow esters, it also contains the Prop ester. This is why most people will suggest to inject Sust EOD at least, same as straight Prop.

If you'd rather not inject that often, switching to Test E or test C would be in order.

[feeldapump89]

Although Sust has slow esters, it also contains the Prop ester. This is why most people will suggest to inject Sust EOD at least, same as straight Prop.

If you'd rather not inject that often, switching to Test E or test C would be in order.

Yea i rather not inject that often id rather poke twice a week so ill probably switch to Test e.

[feeldapump89]

Was your source SeriousMass?

Private source who has been using for multiple years with experience in anything from dbol to hgh. But i am going to get on his case about why he wants me on Deca ill go over that with him and get back to you guys with his response.

[gymnerd]

Private source who has been using for multiple years with experience in anything from dbol to hgh. But i am going to get on his case about why he wants me on Deca ill go over that with him and get back to you guys with his response.

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape at your source. Yes you will gain on test only, test and deca is more than you NEED for your first cycle but guys have been running this cycle for decades so its up to you IMO. He may think (most gym guys I know do) that you have to have at least 3 compounds to make good gains he is not necessarily trying to screw you over that didn't need to be said IMO if this guy is your buddy just talk it over with him

[Immortal Soldier]

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape at your source. Yes you will gain on test only, test and deca is more than you NEED for your first cycle but guys have been running this cycle for decades so its up to you IMO. He may think (most gym guys I know do) that you have to have at least 3 compounds to make good gains he is not necessarily trying to screw you over that didn't need to be said IMO if this guy is your buddy just talk it over with him

Most street dealers go by this logic:

• Create 100 percent profit, if a vial goes cost 1000 dollars sell it for 2000
• Push expensive compounds onto consumer (Tren, Anavar, Primo,etc.)
• Make PCT sound like an opition (So they lose gains and have to come back)
• Sell a bunch of ancillaries to them (A-dex,Letro,HCG)
• More is better for YOU

[feeldapump89]

Most street dealers go by this logic:

• Create 100 percent profit, if a vial goes cost 1000 dollars sell it for 2000
• Push expensive compounds onto consumer (Tren, Anavar, Primo,etc.)
• Make PCT sound like an opition (So they lose gains and have to come back)
• Sell a bunch of ancillaries to them (A-dex,Letro,HCG)
• More is better for YOU

I think we all strongly agree with this logic but i also think GymNerd has made a good point too though. My source is a friend who has consistantly used for years and has a steady supply so i went through him. Hes not the type to be thinking of profits at all times and pushing his products on his custys. Hes just more so trying to get me the most i can from my first cycle, like everyone says your first cycle is the best. Thanks for the advice GymNerd.

[lovbyts]

He may be a friend and has used for years but he is uneducated or he would have NEVER had you running all those for your first cycle. It's not a bad cycle, for your 3rd or 4th but not your first.

Yes we ALL want to do to much our first time to get the most gains we can. Thank GOD for this board and most of the people use logic. If they didnt you would have people just telling you to use Tren...

As a matter of fact I was going to give you crap if you had decided to stick with that cycle and tell you to just add Tren to it also.

[ranging1]

thats ALOT for a first cycle
40mg dbol and the test ethanate is all u need, im running JUST that at the moment and im amazed at the results so i dont think u need to add deca,
especially since this is ur first cycle u dont wanna be running alot of anabolics,
u dont know how ur body responds or its sensitivity to side effects, if u are prone to any of these its alot easier to correct them if ur running a lighter cycle then an aggressive one like urs
MORE is not always better, especially if its ur first cycle
TEST and dbol is more then enough
500mg test ethanate weekly if is on average 6 times the amount of test an average person produces weekly
if u cant gain good with 6 times the normal testerome level then u need to learn how to diet and train properly
adding deca U DONT NEED IT

[iigood]

youre way too young before you stuff up your natural hormones stop juice and start pct. consider juice after 25. otherwise you may stuff up your natural body hormones for good.

[feeldapump89]

Well after great consideration i think I will switch off Sust 250 to Test E and drop the deca save it for my next cycle. Continuing my dbol i have dropped to 30mgs ed to make what i have left last until the test e kicks in and run the Test E at 500mgs per week poking every sunday/wednesday. What if i run out of dbol in say two weeks before the test e takes affect?

[hankdiesel]

Well after great consideration i think I will switch off Sust 250 to Test E and drop the deca save it for my next cycle. Continuing my dbol i have dropped to 30mgs ed to make what i have left last until the test e kicks in and run the Test E at 500mgs per week poking every sunday/wednesday. What if i run out of dbol in say two weeks before the test e takes affect?

Smart move. It's cool to run the dbol a few weeks before the test e kicks. That is what most people do and it is called a kickstart.

[feeldapump89]

Smart move. It's cool to run the dbol a few weeks before the test e kicks. That is what most people do and it is called a kickstart.

I know its used as a kickstart thats partially my purpose of using it but what im trying to say is i need 200mgs per week of dbol for the next 2-3 weeks until the test e takes affect correct? So since i started the dbol two weeks prior to my first injection(Wanting to start with one compound and see how i reacted) i wont beable to make it to the point when the test e kicks in and smoothly bridge the gap between compounds. With the amount of dbol i have left i will have 10 days worth at 25mgs ED. So i will have a downtime of around a week when i wont have dbol and waiting for the test e to kick in. Is this alright will it cause any problems? Im trying to get more Dbol but my source is bone dry i cleaned him out beforehand.

[feeldapump89]

Just met up with my source and had a little chat. He feels i should stay with deca but says i can switch to test e if i want. He has Test E 400 so in order to accurately dose 500mgs a week at two injections how many ccs per injection would i need? I figure around 0.625 - 0.65ccs will this in two injections release 500mgs of Test E per week ? Please correct me if my math is wrong.