Please help>>>> i cant grow anymore from steroids :(

[TheGdog]

Hi everyone,

I have a problem, and hoping someone can help.

Ive been on cycles for about 6 years(usually running 16 week cycles with usually a month off break... I dont know how smart that is.. but Ive been doing it for as long time)

The problem is that, I dont feel like my stack is effective at all when comapared to about 6 years ago.

Six years ago, I think I was taking about 30-40mg of Dbol and 250ml of sust a week, and I blew up in mass like a house.

Since then, Ive slowly increased the amount of steroids I use, and not much of an effect, in fact, VERY little changes in my body, almost as if I wasn't using any steroids at all

And, the sad part is that I've been using a good amount of proviron and tamoxifen in my cycles and cant seem to get rid of the gyno that I have devloped over the past few months.

My current cycle is 100mg of drol/day , 500mg sust/week, 50mg proviron/day, and 40mg tamoxifen, and to be honest it feels like Im not even on on anything because the only thing I noticed was the gyno,
no real significant mass changes in my body...

Are my hormones messed up?

Do I need to take more?

Is my body used to the same kind of test?

Is my body converting everything to estrogen?

Do I need to supplement something like tren, which I figured is different from test, and maybe my body will react to it...?

Any info is greatly appreciated...

Thanks,

Greg

Hi everyone,

I have a problem, and hoping someone can help.

Ive been on cycles for about 6 years(usually running 16 week cycles with usually a month off break... I dont know how smart that is.. but Ive been doing it for as long time)

The problem is that, I dont feel like my stack is effective at all when comapared to about 6 years ago.

Six years ago, I think I was taking about 30-40mg of Dbol and 250ml of sust a week, and I blew up in mass like a house.

Since then, Ive slowly increased the amount of steroids I use, and not much of an effect, in fact, VERY little changes in my body, almost as if I wasn't using any steroids at all

And, the sad part is that I've been using a good amount of proviron and tamoxifen in my cycles and cant seem to get rid of the gyno that I have devloped over the past few months.

My current cycle is 100mg of drol/day , 500mg sust/week, 50mg proviron/day, and 40mg tamoxifen, and to be honest it feels like Im not even on on anything because the only thing I noticed was the gyno,
no real significant mass changes in my body...

Are my hormones messed up?

Do I need to take more?

Is my body used to the same kind of test?

Is my body converting everything to estrogen?

Do I need to supplement something like tren, which I figured is different from test, and maybe my body will react to it...?

Any info is greatly appreciated...

Thanks,

Greg[/b]

[Matt]

So much wrong here lol...

[iKramer]

I don't even know where to start.. Lol.

[G4R]

Despite your "experience", what are your stats?

Stats-
Age?
Height?
Weight?
BF%
Cycle Exp?
PCT Knowlege
Training Exp

What about your diet? What does it look like?

[Matt]

Lets start with stats

Age
Weight
Hieght
Bf%
Pct knowledge???

[marcus300]

Have some time off cycle,
Who adviced you how to cycle?
Whats your diet like?
Stats?

Running 16wks cycles with only 4 wks off for 6 yrs isn't what i call wise, you have built up a huge tolerance to gear and you need to come off and recover! thats if you can ever regain full function of your HPTA, first thoughts would be you cant, but BW would give you a better out look.

An aggressive PCT is in order and keep your fingers crossed. I could go on and on but I will leave it there for the time being, best of luck

[Papa Smurf]

Let me see.......... Youve done 6 16 week cycles using a oral like dbol (all 16 weeks Im guessing) and youve been off steriods a total of 6 months in 6 years.

You need to seek out a liver doctor and a donor if possible. You might as well find an endo doc too because youre gonna be on TRT the rest of your life for sure.

Get off the gear now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save your poor dumbass while you can!!!!!

[c-Z]

Let me see.......... Youve done 6 16 week cycles using a oral like dbol (all 16 weeks Im guessing) and youve been off steriods a total of 6 months in 6 years.

You need to seek out a liver doctor and a donor if possible. You might as well find an endo doc too because youre gonna be on TRT the rest of your life for sure.

Get off the gear now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save your poor dumbass while you can!!!!!

Pops... So honest.... I agree.... WTF are you thinking dude..... You don't know a thing about what you are doing..... sucks... sorry you didn't research more.

[T-MOS]

I smell troll

[TheGdog]

Thanks for replying guys...

Im 37, 5 '7 and 180lbs with 10%bodyfat. Some cycle experience...

To correct myself I did take off 6 months in 2004, 6 months in 2006 and 4 months in 2008.

Ive been training without steroids from age 18 to 31..

I havent been the greatest with PCT (usually taking 50 mg clomid and 40mg tamoxifen for 2-3 weeks following cycle.... )

Let me rephrase what I said before... I usually take 6-8 weeks off (wasnt counting PCT time)...

I recently had my liver checked and was told my enzymes are normal.... ?

Am I screwed... ?

Greg

[T-MOS]

5'7" and ONLY 180 lbs after all those cycles

This is either BS or you have NO CLUE how to use steroids, or eat, or train???

[Matt]

I put it down to such a weak pct, and lack of time off, but as Marcus has said you need your bw done..

[Matt]

Oh and diet must be terrible..

[marcus300]

Troll alert

[Phate]

5'7" and ONLY 180 lbs after all those cycles

This is either BS or you have NO CLUE how to use steroids, or eat, or train???

agreed

to the OP, you need some time off, as in a few years off to research and learn how to diet/train/cycle properly

[Papa Smurf]

OP Your 5' 7 " 180 lbs after doing 6 cycles?


Wait a second.................. you are a guy? Right

[CHAP]

5'7" and ONLY 180 lbs after all those cycles

This is either BS or you have NO CLUE how to use steroids, or eat, or train???

I dont believe this is BS

But I do believe that you have no idea what you are doing.

You can make more gains with diet and workout being changed.

[iKramer]

180lbs! Wow, I was expecting at least in the 200's.

What's your diet like? You must eat like a bird.

Please post your current diet, lol.

[c-Z]

What exactly is a troll.... LMAO. I always tend to think of those little naked weird haired dudes... LMAO from like IDK late 80s or 90s... HAHA

[xo3et]

^ Agreed,

LETS SEE DIET!!!

[iKramer]

Can mean multiple things,

like..

Trying to get post count up, by starting a provocative thread knowing
that many people will be baited in, to answer it. Where as he posts up
something that just doesn't add up, so we take the time to help him out
knowing we will. Sometimes a troll starts up a flamed thread where as it
would result in people getting pissed, etc.

[c-Z]

Can mean multiple things,

like..

Trying to get post count up, by starting a provocative thread knowing
that many people will be baited in, to answer it. Where as he posts up
something that just doesn't add up, so we take the time to help him out
knowing we will. Sometimes a troll starts up a flamed thread where as it
would result in people getting pissed, etc.

Oh.... So no naked weird haired dolls.. OK LMAO

[iKramer]

Oh.... So no naked weird haired dolls.. OK LMAO

Basically, who have nothing better to do than piss us off.

Lol.

[TheGdog]

No, no... Ive been taking off about 7-8 weeks after every 16 week cycle, so maybe around 4 months of the year Im not on anything. So Ive been off probably aorund 24 months in the 6 year peroid

Sorry, I misunderstood....

But, my recent blood work said that my liver enzymes were ok...

Is that different from HPTA?

[iKramer]

Can you please post your diet?

Nothing really adds up.

[TheGdog]

Oh my diet is actually great!

I consume 6 meals a day around 400-600 calories per meal, all lean quality protein, good starchy carbs, fibrous carbs, and healthy fats. Probably around 3000-3300 calories and day maybe 1-1.3 grams of protein per 1lb of bodyweight.

But is there hope for me with HPTA?

[G4R]

Oh my diet is actually great!

I consume 6 meals a day around 400-600 calories per meal, all lean quality protein, good starchy carbs, fibrous carbs, and healthy fats. Probably around 3000-3300 calories and day maybe 1-1.3 grams of protein per 1lb of bodyweight.

But is there hope for me with HPTA?

Show me....

Example:

Meal 1
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 2
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 3
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 4
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 5
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 6
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Totals: Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg

[iKramer]

Please post all your meals, accordingly, macros included.

[TheGdog]

Like I said,

I can't gain weight....Im actually about 187 now... My training and diet are great... Ive been successfully personal training for over 12 years, but I have received REALLY bad steroid info from people over the years..

The most I weighed was about 205lbs at 6% bodyfat a few years ago, and have problems keeping the weight probably because of poor PCT.

I just cant seem to gain weight....?

Am I fuc---d?

[TheGdog]

Ok.. will do ....give me about couple of hours... I have my classes now....

[Matt]

Like I said,

I can't gain weight....Im actually about 187 now... My training and diet are great... Ive been successfully personal training for over 12 years, but I have received REALLY bad steroid info from people over the years..

The most I weighed was about 205lbs at 6% bodyfat a few years ago, and have problems keeping the weight probably because of poor PCT.

I just cant seem to gain weight....?

Am I fuc---d?

You are fvcked, you should crawl back uder that rock and die...

[G4R]

Like I said,

Diet is key. Don't worry about steroids. But, if you don't want to listen to us, then..... ok.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

[thai-lan]

oh man , i hate exams and i hate staying up too late to study for an exam the next day and this thread made my night!! 6 16 weeks long cycles and ur only 187 bf %10.. Id say ur more than ****ed u should crawl under DSM's bed and die

[lovbyts]

Oh and diet must be terrible..

x2 agreed

[T-MOS]

[iKramer]

x2. Lol.

[.EA.]

Oh wow, and you guys are trying to bitch at me for doing what I'm doing?


At least I'm never gonna end up like...whatever this is...even if it is a troll.


Like G.I. Joe said, KNOWLEDGE IS POWAH.



To the OP: Stop trolling, get new testicle implants. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. You sold your soul 6 years ago. Have fun in TRT land.

[TheGdog]

Calories Protein Carbs Fat (g)

Meal 1
1 Cup Cottage Cheese 160.00 36.00 6.00 2.00
1 Cup Oatmeal 144.00 6.00 26.00 1.00
1 Cup brocolli 41.00 5.00 8.0 0
345.00 47.00 40.00 3.00
Meal 2
1 Green Apple 81.00 0.00 21.00 0.00
1 Designer Protein Shake 250.00 30.00 7.00 5.00
331.00 30.00 28.00 5.00
Meal 3
8 Oz Chicken Breast 280.00 36.00 70.00 20.00
1 Ultra Fuel Shake 400.00 0.00 100.00 0.00
1/2 Avocado 160.00 2.00 7 15
840.00 38 177 35
Meal 4
3 oz almonds 350.00 18.00 22.00 40.00
6 oz Tuna (canned) 210.00 36.00 0.00 3.00
2 Slices Wheat bread 122.00 4.00 22.00 0.00
682.00 58.00 44.00 43.00
Meal 5
8 oz Chicken Breast 280.00 36.00 70 4.00
1 cup Brown Rice 260.00 6.00 60.00 0.00
1 cup green Peas 125.00 8.00 11.00 0.00
1 cup brocolli 41 5 26 0
706 167 40 4.00
Meal 6
1 Precision Protein Shake 200.00 40.00 4.00 1.00
1 tbsp Flaxseed Oil 132.00 0.00 0.00 14.00
1 Green Apple 81 0 21.0 0
413 40 25 15

So here is ... it's basically around 3300 calories..... sometimes a little more sometimes less depending on my mood.. Sometimes I throw in a few egg whites with my breakfast..

And, still having problems with weight gain...

[ninesecz]

I this is for real this should be a sticky! The title would be. The reason you ned to cycle off as long as ou are on and do Proper PCT!!

[JinNtonic]

180? that many cycles...? Troll imo