test and deca cycle... advice?

[GusInc]

this will be my second cycle

Test Cyp: 1000mg/week
Deca: 600mg/week

21 (almost 22) years
bodyfat ~12-13
170lbs
5'8"

PCT of nolva and clomid (is this fine)
arimidex on hand

[DEE151]

this will be my second cycle

Test Cyp: 1000mg/week
Deca: 600mg/week

21 (almost 22) years
bodyfat ~12-13
170lbs
5'8"

PCT of nolva and clomid (is this fine)
arimidex on hand

bro your fvcking your self up. your to young for a cycle. but i know you will do it anyways. good luck. and by the way you dont need that much test. 1000mg is a lot for some one that is only 21yrs of age.

[Matt]

Still far to young lol, how many years have you been training??

[sigman roid]

second cycle and only 170lbs you need to sort your diet bro imo, and 1g of test why you running so much?

[inky-e]

Damn!!! Another one bites the dust.....Bro you"re already in the dark side so I won't come down on you...IMO you can make good gains with 500 mg's of each.

[Mooseman33]

1 gram of test is high for people who have cycled many times, let alone ur 2nd cycle....

from the sound of it u have not started this cycle yet correct?
please dont bro, learn how to diet, then cycle....

[Navy-boi-kai]

I will say this bro to much test you will have much much gyno. I suggest 600 mgs of test maximum. Thats to damaging to run for a peroid of time!! How about proper PCT?

[GusInc]

correct I haven't started....
I said that I have clomid and nolva for PCT is there anything else I should have.

and at 5'8" at 170lbs is pretty good size IMO I"m already being told I'm too big

[DEE151]

correct I haven't started....
I said that I have clomid and nolva for PCT is there anything else I should have.

and at 5'8" at 170lbs is pretty good size IMO I"m already being told I'm too big

no its not.

[DEE151]

correct I haven't started....
I said that I have clomid and nolva for PCT is there anything else I should have.

and at 5'8" at 170lbs is pretty good size IMO I"m already being told I'm too big

bro your not big your just skinny with low bf so it makes you more cut. but hold up your not big.

[gymnerd]

Thats alot of gear man I really dont think you will need all that at your height, weight, cycle exp. The age thing was already mentioned so I wont touch that.

[big_ron]

there is no such thing as 2 big

[c-Z]

there is no such thing as 2 big

Indeed.....

and 170lbs on second cycle. at 5'8..... Bro.... I'm 5'6 and am currently 190lbs. Off first cycle. You should be more the 170 going on a second cycle... Your diet isn't right.

[Zookl]

Bro, That is too much test for you. I am on week 7 and am running 500 mg of deca and 650 mg of test and the results are outstanding. I am 31 years old and the results are fabulous. I have a little acne on my shoudlers and back, but those are the only sides right now.

At your age, 1g of test will screw you up in my opinion. Why are you wanting to run so much? I can't imagine putting that amount in my body at the current stage of my training. You will see great results if you run the amounts I am running. If you use that much test with the amount you weigh and at your age you will lose a lot of your gains after you come off.

EAT MORE FOOD BRO AND TRAIN HARDER!!! You need to gain a few more pounds, and age a few more years before sticking that much test, if any at all, in your body...Good luck

[fozy]

id cut the doses in half ..........that would be a nice cycle

then you have enough for another similar cycle down the road

just get your diet in check and off to the races. Wont touch the age ting either you allready have your mind made up so mine as well push you in the right direction

[c-Z]

I've never ran over 500mgs... But I here at most 750.... Useless to run any higher than that I heard.

Your to young though man stick it out a couple years...... You won't regret it.

[peteroy01]

what was your 1st cycle?

[GusInc]

what was your 1st cycle?

first cycle was 500mgs of test e... I ate right and trained like a mofo and either the gear was fake both times (got from 2 sources) or severly under dosed because I started getting gyno symptoms. I have a seriously fast metabolism and I feel like I don't absorb much besides eggs cuz I would sh*t like 3 times or more a day.

only gained about 7lbs on cycle and kept 2 of them.

[chuckt12345]

well since you gonna cycle anyway,, ill say you dont need a gram of test. let the deca do the work.

and guys stop with the weight talk about how many pounds someone should way b4 or after a certain amount of cycles,, its old.

[FireGuy]

first cycle was 500mgs of test e... I ate right and trained like a mofo and either the gear was fake both times (got from 2 sources) or severly under dosed because I started getting gyno symptoms. I have a seriously fast metabolism and I feel like I don't absorb much besides eggs cuz I would sh*t like 3 times or more a day.

only gained about 7lbs on cycle and kept 2 of them.

You got gyno symptoms and that made you conclude your gear was fake and/or underdosed? You are not making any sense. And "Too Big" and "170lbs" should never be used in the same sentence.

[Mooseman33]

well since you gonna cycle anyway,, ill say you dont need a gram of test. let the deca do the work.

and guys stop with the weight talk about how many pounds someone should way b4 or after a certain amount of cycles,, its old.

it gets old when 15 people beat it to death, however it is very helpful when giving someone advice about a future cycle...that is if u care about the advice u give..
if someone just keeps doing things wrong, why would someone advise them to keep taking gear, let alone at crazy dosages like the OP suggested...

[chuckt12345]

it gets old when 15 people beat it to death, however it is very helpful when giving someone advice about a future cycle...that is if u care about the advice u give..
if someone just keeps doing things wrong, why would someone advise them to keep taking gear, let alone at crazy dosages like the OP suggested...

understandable, i just dont put much stock into what someone should weigh at a certain height. For me if i see 5'8" and 170,, thats a pretty solid base. Im 6'2" and according to people on here i can get to 230 naturally,, i find that comical,, shitt i dont ever even want to be over 220.

[RaZZZr]

No Offence Gus,

But clearly you are inexperienced and need to study up. You say the gear was fake but yet you got gyno symptoms --> If it was fake you wouldn't have had this.

Secondly the reason you got the gyno is because of the fact you're still so young your body is already producing high levels of test and now you're adding even more, so obviously you're going to experience a little "tingliness" in the tits cos all that test is converting to oestrogen. Now if you had gyno symptoms with 500mg's, what the **** would possess you to attempt taking 1000mgs????!!!!!

I say this with all due respect --> don't be another dumbass who thinks more is better!

Listen to what the guys here have to say and remember that roids also take time to work and only work if other parts of your lifestyle are in sync with what you are taking.

Please rethink your strategy especially since it's only your 2nd cycle.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

[c-Z]

well since you gonna cycle anyway,, ill say you dont need a gram of test. let the deca do the work.

and guys stop with the weight talk about how many pounds someone should way b4 or after a certain amount of cycles,, its old.

Weight plays an extremely large role dude... For someone who has posted around he as much as you... You should understand why someone should be able to hit a certain weight at a certain height.

main reason being.... if i'm 6foot and 160... yeah I should cycle and see minimal gains... BECAUSE. Obviously my diet isn't good... And we all know a solid healthy diet is key to growing? right chuck?

So no it isn't getting old. Just because these scrawny ass kids who can't eat right. So they don't grow right. Yeah they should definitely look into steroids...... Because they will only see minimal results.

Diet is key. If you cant get to an average weight at your height. then you should not be looking into steroids. And any mod i'm sure will back this. So no it's not getting old. it's protecting our members and trying t offer the best advice.

Not a good weight. means not a good diet. Means no good results off a cycle.

Diet is key.



170 at 5'8 isnt bad. I completely agree with you on that.... BUT when it comes to doing his second cycle.... that means he started cycling at what? 155ish? 160ish? at 5'8.... Thats nothing. My boy is 5'8 and has never touched a weight and weighs that much......

[feeldapump89]

this will be my second cycle

Test Cyp: 1000mg/week
Deca: 600mg/week

21 (almost 22) years
bodyfat ~12-13
170lbs
5'8"

PCT of nolva and clomid (is this fine)
arimidex on hand

Hah 1000mgs per week watch out for side affects, i have nearly the same stats and take half of what you do not only am i getting probably the exact same results but its costing me half the price. Your simply just wasting your money.

[marcus300]

Your to young to be cycling, at such a young age your going to cause serious problems and believe me at your age these problems are not nice, your going to damage your HPTA. You are nowhere near bigger enough to be cycling no offence but you have a body of a 15yrs boy.

You have enough natural test in your body to make good gains without shutting down your system which will lead to nasty sides which you will have for the rest of your life, do not cycle, get your diet in order and sort your training program out.

[G4R]

Def some diet issues you need to address first. I know there are mixed reviews as to height and weight on here, but I am going to assume you are not wanting a cutting cycle (Test and Deca), and odds are you are not crusing, so I am going to guess you are wanting to bulk up.

This is where you diet comes into play. You should start a good bulking diet first to gain some natural mass before you start another cycle. If your previous cycle worked, then you prob weighed around 150lbs? If you started around 170lbs like you are now, and didnt have any gains, it doesnt mean you gear was fake, it may mean your diet sucks.

But, this is just my opinion

PS. And like Marcus said, you are still too young

[GusInc]

ok....
after reading the comments I'd like to point out that I started my last cycle at 168lbs and saw extremely minimal gains... like weight and strength
I'm talking like maybe only a few extra reps of 255 on bench where I was able to push it like 3 times prior to cycle.

SO... 2lbs of kept weight later I was kinda pissed... I'm gonna go with about 600mg of test and 340mg of deca (read somewhere about 2mg/ lb of weight).

Also is front loading worth it?

[Immortal Soldier]

Higher dosage is not nessicarily going to give you bigger gains or else we would all be running 1 gram of test/week.

Second if 500mg gave you gyno what do you think 1gram of test is going to do? LOL I hope you like bra shopping my friend.

And like people said, you don't need wicked dosage

1-12 test cyp @ 500-600mg/week
1-10 deca @ 400mg/week


That right there is a good 2nd cycle, you could add in a dbol kickstart if you want, (i dont see the need) and if you dont gain good weight on this cycle then your diet is wrong.

[gymnerd]

ok....
after reading the comments I'd like to point out that I started my last cycle at 168lbs and saw extremely minimal gains... like weight and strength
I'm talking like maybe only a few extra reps of 255 on bench where I was able to push it like 3 times prior to cycle.

SO... 2lbs of kept weight later I was kinda pissed... I'm gonna go with about 600mg of test and 340mg of deca (read somewhere about 2mg/ lb of weight).

Also is front loading worth it?

You sure your gear was good?

[marcus300]

Your to young to be cycling, at such a young age your going to cause serious problems and believe me at your age these problems are not nice, your going to damage your HPTA. You are nowhere near bigger enough to be cycling no offence but you have a body of a 15yrs boy.

You have enough natural test in your body to make good gains without shutting down your system which will lead to nasty sides which you will have for the rest of your life, do not cycle, get your diet in order and sort your training program out.