2nd cycle: Test & Deca

[Headliner]

age: 20
height: 6'0
weight: 180
bf%: 8% (just off some EC)
training: 4+ years
Previous cycles: 1 - test 500mg week x10 weeks

I have x2 vials of test 250 and x2 vials of deca 200. This is the cycle I came up with:

test 700mg week 1
deca 600mg week 1

Test 375mg weeks 2-14
Deca 300mg weeks 2-12


I need help planning a simple PCT, recomendations?
Will 4 weeks of nolva/clomid do the trick?
How about during the cycle, anything I should be running?
I know I'm a little young, and some may say even a little light, but I'm pinning regardless. The gear is already in my hands, just want to sort out my PCT before starting.

[Headliner]

bump

[Matt]

When did you finish your last cycle and what were your gains???

[Headliner]

last day of PCT was begining of April. I went from 170 to 185 ish. Can I get critiques on the cycle?

[peteroy01]

yeah your going to high. go with 500mg of test(12-13wks) and 400mg of deca (10-11wks). your plan looks more like a 3rd or 4th cycle with those high doses.

[G4R]

Still too young. And why are you wanting to frontload?

[ottomaddox]

Way Too young to be messing with steroids . Obviously your training and diet are sub par since your are so light in weight and this is going to be your second cycle? Go back to the drawing board and re-think your goals. Stop taking steroids and just eat some food. You could of had so much more potential if you had not started using at such and immature age. Do a little research on the Endocrine system and its devolpment through the age of 25.

[DEVLDOG]

you don't need that much deca ....ever! 200mg is more then enough no matter how many cycles you have under your belt,anything more and your just wasting it.

over the yrs I experimented ALOT! and one experiment was with DECA. I ran it by itself to see exactly what it would do.I had to do this a twice to compare. each time for 16 weeks, first time ran it at 800mg/week at the end of 16 weeks I had put on a solid 8lbs. a yr later I ran it at 200mg/week....same results. I don't suggest running it alone but I have done lots of things purposely that I wouldn't recommend just so I knew what worked best for me. I use Deca for it collagen resynthasis properties mainly. protein synthesis can be attained other ways....

[Headliner]

yeah your going to high. go with 500mg of test(12-13wks) and 400mg of deca(10-11wks). your plan looks more like a 3rd or 4th cycle with those high doses.

I'm guessing you seen week 1 and thought that was the dossage. I am frontloading week 1, then staying at 375mg test/300mg deca per week.

Still too young. And why are you wanting to frontload?

Don't want to wait till week 6 or so to feel "on"

you dont need that much deca....ever! 200mg is more then enough no matter how many cycles you have under your belt,anything more and your just wasteing it.

over the yrs I experimented ALOT! and one experiment was with DECA. I ran it by itself to see exactly what it would do.I had to do this a twice to compare. each time for 16 weeks, first time ran it at 800mg/week at the end of 16 weeks I had put on a solid 8lbs. a yr later I ran it at 200mg/week....same results. I dont suggest running it alone but I have done lots of things purposely that I wouldnt recommend just so I knew what worked best for me. I use deca for it collogen resynthasis properties mainly. protien synthasis can be attained other ways....

would 300mg really be over doing it?

[seriousmass]

I'd just go

Test (weeks 1 - 12) @ 400mg each week
Deca (weeks 1 - 10) @ 400mg each week

it'll be a quality cycle, with some quality gains.

[hankdiesel]

I'd just go

Test (weeks 1 - 12) @ 400mg each week
Deca (weeks 1 - 10) @ 400mg each week

it'll be a quality cycle, with some quality gains.

I like this cycle much more than the one you described. The problem is you are only 20 years old. Even worse you sound like you are skinny. 6'0" tall and 180 pounds. What have you been eating? How many times a day do you eat? You've been training for 4 years and have already done a cycle so why are you so thin?

[Headliner]

I like this cycle much more than the one you described. The problem is you are only 20 years old. Even worse you sound like you are skinny. 6'0" tall and 180 pounds. What have you been eating? How many times a day do you eat? You've been training for 4 years and have already done a cycle so why are you so thin?

I was 16 y/o, 130lbs and around the same body fat. Ain't nothing wrong with 50lbs in 4 years brother, go hate somewhere else.

[marcus300]

I was 16 y/o, 130lbs and around the same body fat. Ain't nothing wrong with 50lbs in 4 years brother, go hate somewhere else.

He isn't hating you, he is trying to give you good advice, the problem is your 20yrs old and you are risking damage to your HPTA even before its fully functional, why risk serious damage and why risk something like that when you have a very high amount of natural test floating around your system to make really decent gains on top of what you have already achieved, your decision and risk.

[DEE151]

hey guys regardless he is going to do the cycle so lets not hate on him he already knows he is to young.
now he ask a question and no 1 has not answer that question for him. he wants to know if clom/nolva will do for his PCT?
its to late to bash on the kid. now lets just help him out with his PCT.

[Headliner]

hey guys regardless he is going to do the cycle so lets not hate on him he already knows he is to young.
now he ask a question and no 1 has not answer that question for him. he wants to know if clom/nolva will do for his PCT?
its to late to bash on the kid. now lets just help him out with his PCT.

DEE151 for president

I've decided to keep it simple, dump the frontloading and go with:

400mg test weeks 1-12
400mg deca weeks 1-10

Could I get some advice for PCT/anti E's during cycle?

[marcus300]

DEE151 for president

I've decided to keep it simple, dump the front loading and go with:

400mg test weeks 1-12
400mg deca weeks 1-10

Could I get some advice for PCT/anti E's during cycle?

Are you not bothered about damage to your HPTA?

Do you know the sides if you do serious damage?

The sides are awful to cope with and thats if your in your 40's, something you don't want to at such a young age.

The answer isn't in an injection or pill, but guess your only listening to what you want to hear.

Best of luck, you will need it.

[Headliner]

Thanks.

For PCT I'm weary of nolva, so now I'm thinking Aromasin and Clomid

week 16-18 Clomid 100mg/day
week 18-20 clomid 50mg/day
week 16-20 Aromasin 25mg/day

Is that alright? I would be running AR-R chems at those dosages. I heard however that AR-R's PCT chem strengths are no where near the same as pharmaceutical grade. eg 100mg of pharmacy clomid is way more powerful then AR-R 100mg Clomid. Would the above dosages be alright?

[seriousmass]

Thanks.

For PCT I'm weary of nolva, so now I'm thinking Aromasin and Clomid

week 16-18 Clomid 100mg/day
week 18-20 clomid 50mg/day
week 16-20 Aromasin 25mg/day

Is that alright? I would be running AR-R chems at those dosages. I heard however that AR-R's PCT chem strengths are no where near the same as pharmaceutical grade. eg 100mg of pharmacy clomid is way more powerful then AR-R 100mg Clomid. Would the above dosages be alright?

dosages are fine. don't worry about it.

buy nolvadex . don't be silly. nolvadex is crucible to a PCT. run it 40/40/20/20

[T-MOS]

dosages are fine. don't worry about it.

buy nolvadex. don't be silly. nolvadex is crucible to a PCT. run it 40/40/20/20

you have a very long time and VERY WELL RESPECTED and super experienced member trying to tell this kid NOT to do a cycle and risk damage to HPTA, and you are spewing out for him to run it

he is well under age, and well under weight!!!

what is your problem??? whether the kid is gonna do it or not is NOT the issue, you should be explaining the RISKS, not making it sound like its a GOOD IDEA !!!

and the word is crucial, NOT crucible !!!

[seriousmass]

you have a very long time and VERY WELL RESPECTED and super experienced member trying to tell this kid NOT to do a cycle and risk damage to HPTA, and you are spewing out for him to run it

what is your problem??? whether the kid is gonna do it or not is NOT the issue, you should be explaining the RISKS, not making it sound like its a GOOD IDEA !!!

and the word is crucial, NOT crucible !!!

Because he obviously isn't going to listen to Marcus. He's completely ignoring Marcus's posts. I'm not going to be ignorant, and just assume that he is NOT going to run this cycle, because he obviously is.

I am not making it sound like a "good idea".. i'm merely explaining how to run that cycle properly, so that he does the least amount of harm to his body.

IMO, you're the freak who won't even help this kid out with PCT info. I'm rather help then hurt him bro.

Don't bother getting mad at me, unless you are gunna call out the other 10 members who helped him too. You're just looking for a scape-goat as usual.

Unlike yourself I'm not selective in who I give my advice too. Wanna know why? Because eventually favoritism will come back to bite you in the ass.

Thanks for correcting my spelling error tho.

[T-MOS]

there was no need for my help as it was already covered

but the more people explaining the risks, instead of giving him the only thing he wants to hear, WHY do you think he is ignoring Marcus??

because YOU give him the only thing he wants to hear, NOT what he NEEDS TO HEAR

i can tell you , i have convinced many KIDS, to rethink what they were gonna do because I didn't just give them what they wanted to hear. Just ask MNFighter

[xo3et]

To young and to light at that height = more diet knowledge/effort. You can still gain naturally without risking future problems.

Id not cycle again bro.

[HIITB$]

Because he obviously isn't going to listen to Marcus. He's completely ignoring Marcus's posts. I'm not going to be ignorant, and just assume that he is NOT going to run this cycle, because he obviously is.

I am not making it sound like a "good idea".. i'm merely explaining how to run that cycle properly, so that he does the least amount of harm to his body.

IMO, you're the freak who won't even help this kid out with PCT info. I'm rather help then hurt him bro.

Don't bother getting mad at me, unless you are gunna call out the other 10 members who helped him too. You're just looking for a scape-goat as usual.

Unlike yourself I'm not selective in who I give my advice too. Wanna know why? Because eventually favoritism will come back to bite you in the ass.

Thanks for correcting my spelling error tho.

So you're sister wants to smoke the pipe and you KNOW its not going to lead to anywhere so instead of discouraging it, you tell her to wear a rubber when she's trying to "earn" her next rock??? brilliant!!!

I think misery loves company!!

[T-MOS]

So you're sister wants to smoke the pipe and you KNOW its not going to lead to anywhere so instead of discouraging it, you tell her to wear a rubber when she's trying to "earn" her next rock??? brilliant!!!

I think misery loves company!!

Exactly!!!!! brilliantly put !!!

[marcus300]

So you're sister wants to smoke the pipe and you KNOW its not going to lead to anywhere so instead of discouraging it, you tell her to wear a rubber when she's trying to "earn" her next rock??? brilliant!!!

I think misery loves company!!

beautiful put and straight to the point, lol

[TITANIUM]

beautiful put and straight to the point, lol

Yes. T-MOS and Marcus, and other experienced vets hear are trying to prevent you from harming yourself.When they give advice, it's always from there experience in this subject.Listen to them.I do..........Questions are always welcome.And Serious Mass-don't encourage this type of post.(with all do respect for everyone here.).That's what HE WANTS TO HEAR.

[DEVLDOG]

Is this not a steroid board? sounds more like a board of hyprocrits trying to pass morals on an immorally subject.

the man is 20yrs old,he isnt a kid,some of you guys who are near 40 or older may feel different but im 39 an not ignorant enough to think he is gonna listen to " hypocritical reason", he already said its his 2nd cycle,so he is gonna do it regardless.weather he damages his HPTA at 20 or 40,doesnt really make difference,the damage is done regardless

and I personally dont know this guys goals but 20 isnt too young if his goals are to some day stand on the stage at the Olympia. I had friends running GH,Slin and mega doses af test at age 17,they all went pro and gave no regrets.

some of these lectures ar rediculous,same rehashed bullsh!t over and over,everyone judging everyone and no straight answers from anyone ever.

everybody that logs on to this board is logging on for one purpose and one purpose only to use gear,they will use it regardless of your lectures or not and the comparison to the "pipe" thats fkn stupid, your comparing apples to oranges,

Im sure yous will now try and lecture me,save it,I dont give a fk what any of yous have to say unless you wanna talk real doses not this standard rhetoric cookie cutter bullsh!t.

done!

[marcus300]

The kid is 20yrs regardless if he is going to do it or not, i personally feel we all should steer him in the right direction and not in the direction he is heading. We are all entitled to our opinion but yours is reckless, dangerous, stupid and you talk so much bull its really laughable.

Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one, its just some are larger than others and a small few, no offence intended talk sh1t out of the wrong hole

[marcus300]

LOL, Now i can tell you must of escaped from the hospital or that test your taking isn't doing you to well son!

Have you read some of your posts?

You state you have been cycling for yrs and your 292lbs, well you was 292lbs 4yrs ago so them 4 yrs cycling haven't done you any good at all, or is it that you went to 330lbs and dropped down again hahah your full of it, you was talking this bull yrs ago, its plain to see you are mentally ill, you even think anadrol is a very weal compound lol.

Ive had so many pm'S about your reckless advice i could start a new community or village.

If you want to see what i look like PM me, and I WILL state this i am not bloated, fat and look like a mess, like some x