To set the RECORD straight

**DEVLLDOG** · 08-04-2009, 07:46 AM

Yes,I was "RETIRED" as it states next to my screen name DEVLDOGfunny how you can hold "VET" status and because you expose one of the supposed "know it alls" on this board as nothing more then someone who can cut,copy and re-pasted the same outdated info (marcus300) over and over,you are banished. but its cool,I didnt come here to learn,I came here to educate,I have seen some very smart and knowledgeable ppl over the yrs post on this board and be banished for the same things.very sad to say the least.

I spoke from 22+yrs experience using gear and 27yrs experience training,training with bodybuilders who competed at the top of the sport all the way to the Olympia.

Yes,some of the the doses and durations I spoke of are out of the box compared to what is preached and recycled not only on this board but around the internet,there arent too many ppl willing to tell you the truth and when you speak the truth,they want to call you reckless and say Bullsh!t!! haha,this I have to laugh at because the only people that would ever say those things are the people who really dont know,they only know what they read and cant possibly have any real life experiences other then the cookie cutter cycles echoed around the internet.

I have read some posts by JUICE AUTHORITY on this board where the same guys try to discredit the info he is trying to share,from what I read he is a guy that knows what he is talking about but because its not "mainstream' info, people are quick to say he is wrong,some of you kids got less years on this planet then I or he has juicing and your gonna tell us we are wrong because you read different somewhere..haha, keep believeing what you read, you will do nothing but waste time and $$.

My last post was deleted and the thread was closed but only after marcus300 got in the last word, I could see closing it but to erase my last post only goes to prove I exposed this person as nothing more then a fraud. he trys to dispell the fact I have beed 292 pounds for the last 4 yrs,so my theories must be wrong. well,if he knew anything about anything,one can only get so big,although I have been 304 but to reaminat 294 for 4 yrs isnt an easy task while constantly changing body compostion, guess he doesnt understand that you can continue to lose fat and gain muscle,4 yrs ago I was 294 at about 18%bf,today Im 294 at 10%bf.anybody who knows anything is gonna tell you that a pretty good change in 4 yrs,I can get to 6%bf and still be 272 but yet,I am full of sh!t if you want to listen to him.

I state Anadrol is a weak compound and he says I dont what Im talking about because its the strongest compound out there, yeah,if you believe what you read. 50mg of anadrol -vs- 50mg of any other oral compound,Ill take the other compound anyday, mg for mg Anadrol is one of the weakest compounds,thats why you need a high dose thus high side effects...personal experience over what you read and repeat. Ill take personal experoience anyday..

anyway,wanted to say thanks to the friends I have made over the yrs,and goodluck to all of you, this board isnt for me or anyone who is willing to discuss with other adults true life experiences. you have to be 18 to log onto this site but yet when someone 22 yrs old posts these know it alls have nothing to say except your "too young"...hahah, thats because thats all they know to say. dont believe everything you read because most of it it is outdated bullsh!t.............

DD OUT!

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-04-2009, 07:48 AM

i agree

**Matt** · 08-04-2009, 07:56 AM

What a load of shit, you are a fool who doesnt know what the fvck your talking about..

I garantee Marcus has forgotten more than you will ever know........

**Dukkit** · 08-04-2009, 08:03 AM

well i dont know all the details of this whole debate

but good luck to you

**Matt** · 08-04-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

well i dont know all the details of this whole debate

but good luck to you

He's a guy who believes an under weight 19 year old should be on 200mg anadrol ed...

***El Diablo*** · 08-04-2009, 08:10 AM

I undestand how u feel DEVLLDOG and i think we all need to respect each other here, for some Anadrol works Fvken great, and for some like yourself its rubbish, and to give any help to anyone just with their age and current weight is anyway no means to giving great advice, because we dont know how their body will react to the compound... I just feel we need to have some sort of respect amongst our members. We are and this include's YOU are here to learn. NO one will ever know everything about it all.

Just my 2c..

**Dancer** · 08-04-2009, 08:11 AM

Thats enough crap the last few months.

Threads like this is why I stop posting for years at a time.

The last few months its been on thread after another from one know it all to another.

The word GURU should be a banned word, no one knows it all

People should also stop this fighting that does nothing but to undermine everything an educational board is about.

**tembe** · 08-04-2009, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

I undestand how u feel DEVLLDOG and i think we all need to respect each other here, for some Anadrol works Fvken great, and for some like yourself its rubbish, and to give any help to anyone just with their age and current weight is anyway no means to giving great advice, because we dont know how their body will react to the compound... I just feel we need to have some sort of respect amongst our members. We are and this include's YOU are here to learn. NO one will ever know everything about it all.

Just my 2c..

agreed 100%

**DEVLLDOG** · 08-04-2009, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

He's a guy who believes an under weight 19 year old should be on 200mg anadrol ed...

now your just talking sh!t,you show me where I ever said that,even though if you have any knowledgeable experience yourself you would know that inside a box of Syntex Oxymetholone if you were able to read and comprehend english it states right from the manufactuer itself 1.5mg per pound of bodyweight a day as a normal dose. I never and do not ever recommend that to anyone.

you are just part of the cancer on this site,I will sit here and debate,justify or whatever else you want to argue about until this screen name is disabled,I know how it works.

***El Diablo*** · 08-04-2009, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Dancer

Thats enough crap the last few months.

Threads like this is why I stop posting for years at a time.

The last few months its been on thread after another from one know it all to another.

The word GURU should be a banned word, no one knows it all

People should also stop this fighting that does nothing but to undermine everything an educational board is about.

I disagree with yourself as well Dancer, GURU is just a word and it is YOURSELF that need to decide whether what u want from whats given to you and if u dont like the information given, then dont use it. I have used some advice given by members like NARK, DOC.SUST etc, and they really do know what they talking about, but GURU is just a word... Who cares if he wants to call himself GURU/DANCER/BIG/LickAlotofPuss etc....

**DEVLLDOG** · 08-04-2009, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

I undestand how u feel DEVLLDOG and i think we all need to respect each other here, for some Anadrol works Fvken great, and for some like yourself its rubbish, and to give any help to anyone just with their age and current weight is anyway no means to giving great advice, because we dont know how their body will react to the compound... I just feel we need to have some sort of respect amongst our members. We are and this include's YOU are here to learn. NO one will ever know everything about it all.

Just my 2c..

I agree my friend,I dont know everything and would never state such, but at 39yrs of age Im coming to an end of my gear using days,I always swore at age 40 I would go natural and I will. so Im not here to learn,sorry if it came across as me knowing it all,I DO NOT!!

**OH REALLY** · 08-04-2009, 08:21 AM

ok kids plz stop

***El Diablo*** · 08-04-2009, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by DEVLLDOG

I agree my friend,I dont know everything and would never state such, but at 39yrs of age Im coming to an end of my gear using days,I always swore at age 40 I would go natural and I will. so Im not here to learn,sorry if it came across as me knowing it all,I DO NOT!!

No DEVLLDOG, its not an issue to "vent" like you are doing.. Just to let you know where u can still learn

... One of our other members on this board T-Mos, he is one of our "Senior Citizens" 40+ members and are currenly doing a log on Methyl Tren , so there are always oppurtunity to learn, when a new compound comes along..

**tembe** · 08-04-2009, 08:32 AM

i dont even know what methyl tren is hahaha...

***El Diablo*** · 08-04-2009, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by tembe

i dont even know what methyl tren is hahaha...

Thats what im saying...

there will always be time for learning something even if ur are 60+

Go check : T-MOS's Methyl Tren Experiment Log

**DEVLLDOG** · 08-04-2009, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

No DEVLLDOG, its not an issue to "vent" like you are doing.. Just to let you know where u can still learn

... One of our other members on this board T-Mos, he is one of our "Senior Citizens" 40+ members and are currenly doing a log on Methyl Tren , so there are always oppurtunity to learn, when a new compound comes along..

I understand what your saying,just at this point I have then next 11 months laid out then Im done with gear forever,I wont be on any life long HRT or anything ,my natural hormone production is fine,just had my 5th kid 6 months ago,so I know its working well and what Ive done over yrs to prevent any permanent damage has worked too.Not to sound ignorant,I am not interested in learning anymore as I dont have a need for any more info,in 11 months I wont discuss gear anymore either,I will be done with it forever. it has been my plan since day one back in 1987,Im sticking with it.

***El Diablo*** · 08-04-2009, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by DEVLLDOG

I understand what your saying,just at this point I have then next 11 months laid out then Im done with gear forever,I wont be on any life long HRT or anything ,my natural hormone production is fine,just had my 5th kid 6 months ago,so I know its working well and what Ive done over yrs to prevent any permanent damage has worked too.Not to sound ignorant,I am not interested in learning anymore as I dont have a need for any more info,in 11 months I wont discuss gear anymore either,I will be done with it forever. it has been my plan since day one back in 1987,Im sticking with it.

Good on you and i congrats to what u have achieved. I think you deserve it, and u probably know ALOT more than alot of our members, and i think u need to pass your knowledge on to the "younger" generation, I am sure u have alot more to offer even though you are done with Juice, Maybe regarding Dieting or even in the 40+ section or even training section....

**tembe** · 08-04-2009, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

Good on you and i congrats to what u have achieved. I think you deserve it, and u probably know ALOT more than alot of our members, and i think u need to pass your knowledge on to the "younger" generation, I am sure u have alot more to offer even though you are done with Juice, Maybe regarding Dieting or even in the 40+ section or even training section....

agreed 100%, u were juicing before i was even born hahaha

**illwillogical** · 08-04-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by DEVLLDOG

Yes,I was "RETIRED" as it states next to my screen name DEVLDOGfunny how you can hold "VET" status and because you expose one of the supposed "know it alls" on this board as nothing more then someone who can cut,copy and re-pasted the same outdated info (marcus300) over and over,you are banished. but its cool,I didnt come here to learn,I came here to educate,I have seen some very smart and knowledgeable ppl over the yrs post on this board and be banished for the same things.very sad to say the least.

I spoke from 22+yrs experience using gear and 27yrs experience training,training with bodybuilders who competed at the top of the sport all the way to the Olympia.

Yes,some of the the doses and durations I spoke of are out of the box compared to what is preached and recycled not only on this board but around the internet,there arent too many ppl willing to tell you the truth and when you speak the truth,they want to call you reckless and say Bullsh!t!! haha,this I have to laugh at because the only people that would ever say those things are the people who really dont know,they only know what they read and cant possibly have any real life experiences other then the cookie cutter cycles echoed around the internet.

I have read some posts by JUICE AUTHORITY on this board where the same guys try to discredit the info he is trying to share,from what I read he is a guy that knows what he is talking about but because its not "mainstream' info, people are quick to say he is wrong,some of you kids got less years on this planet then I or he has juicing and your gonna tell us we are wrong because you read different somewhere..haha, keep believeing what you read, you will do nothing but waste time and $$.

My last post was deleted and the thread was closed but only after marcus300 got in the last word, I could see closing it but to erase my last post only goes to prove I exposed this person as nothing more then a fraud. he trys to dispell the fact I have beed 292 pounds for the last 4 yrs,so my theories must be wrong. well,if he knew anything about anything,one can only get so big,although I have been 304 but to reaminat 294 for 4 yrs isnt an easy task while constantly changing body compostion, guess he doesnt understand that you can continue to lose fat and gain muscle,4 yrs ago I was 294 at about 18%bf,today Im 294 at 10%bf.anybody who knows anything is gonna tell you that a pretty good change in 4 yrs,I can get to 6%bf and still be 272 but yet,I am full of sh!t if you want to listen to him.

I state Anadrol is a weak compound and he says I dont what Im talking about because its the strongest compound out there, yeah,if you believe what you read. 50mg of anadrol -vs- 50mg of any other oral compound,Ill take the other compound anyday, mg for mg Anadrol is one of the weakest compounds,thats why you need a high dose thus high side effects...personal experience over what you read and repeat. Ill take personal experoience anyday..

anyway,wanted to say thanks to the friends I have made over the yrs,and goodluck to all of you, this board isnt for me or anyone who is willing to discuss with other adults true life experiences. you have to be 18 to log onto this site but yet when someone 22 yrs old posts these know it alls have nothing to say except your "too young"...hahah, thats because thats all they know to say. dont believe everything you read because most of it it is outdated bullsh!t.............

DD OUT!

I'll agree with you I'll take personal experience over what someone really doesn't know anyday. People get ridiculed here if they go against the majority. That's why I rarely ask for advice anymore. But to advance you have to try new things, and I'm going to push it! As long as my bloodwork is reasonable, I'm going to try some new things.

I believe a lot of the advice here is "amateur" steroid advice, and probably a little outdated. I don't think the pros are running anything like this, I'm pretty sure what they are running isn't healthy, but really, who knows what they are running, they aren't going to tell? Unless we get to their level, we're going to just sit here and be "amateurs".

I do believe though recommending low dose cycles is good, because someone without the knowledge, could really fuk themselves up. The average person doesn't have bloodwork taken here. I believe that is the key!

**Dukkit** · 08-04-2009, 09:26 AM

*sitting back with popcorn sprayed with calorie free butter spray, enjoying the show*

**ninesecz** · 08-04-2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by DEVLLDOG

Yes,I was "RETIRED" as it states next to my screen name DEVLDOGfunny how you can hold "VET" status and because you expose one of the supposed "know it alls" on this board as nothing more then someone who can cut,copy and re-pasted the same outdated info (marcus300) over and over,you are banished. but its cool,I didnt come here to learn,I came here to educate,I have seen some very smart and knowledgeable ppl over the yrs post on this board and be banished for the same things.very sad to say the least.

I spoke from 22+yrs experience using gear and 27yrs experience training,training with bodybuilders who competed at the top of the sport all the way to the Olympia.

Yes,some of the the doses and durations I spoke of are out of the box compared to what is preached and recycled not only on this board but around the internet,there arent too many ppl willing to tell you the truth and when you speak the truth,they want to call you reckless and say Bullsh!t!! haha,this I have to laugh at because the only people that would ever say those things are the people who really dont know,they only know what they read and cant possibly have any real life experiences other then the cookie cutter cycles echoed around the internet.

I have read some posts by JUICE AUTHORITY on this board where the same guys try to discredit the info he is trying to share,from what I read he is a guy that knows what he is talking about but because its not "mainstream' info, people are quick to say he is wrong,some of you kids got less years on this planet then I or he has juicing and your gonna tell us we are wrong because you read different somewhere..haha, keep believeing what you read, you will do nothing but waste time and $$.

My last post was deleted and the thread was closed but only after marcus300 got in the last word, I could see closing it but to erase my last post only goes to prove I exposed this person as nothing more then a fraud. he trys to dispell the fact I have beed 292 pounds for the last 4 yrs,so my theories must be wrong. well,if he knew anything about anything,one can only get so big,although I have been 304 but to reaminat 294 for 4 yrs isnt an easy task while constantly changing body compostion, guess he doesnt understand that you can continue to lose fat and gain muscle,4 yrs ago I was 294 at about 18%bf,today Im 294 at 10%bf.anybody who knows anything is gonna tell you that a pretty good change in 4 yrs,I can get to 6%bf and still be 272 but yet,I am full of sh!t if you want to listen to him.

I state Anadrol is a weak compound and he says I dont what Im talking about because its the strongest compound out there, yeah,if you believe what you read. 50mg of anadrol -vs- 50mg of any other oral compound,Ill take the other compound anyday, mg for mg Anadrol is one of the weakest compounds,thats why you need a high dose thus high side effects...personal experience over what you read and repeat. Ill take personal experoience anyday.. I tried getting people to answer this very same question a month ago! Where were you bro? I was thinking that too! I think that ndrol is stronger but not Mg/Mg You are taking more of it! I bet my gains would be better on 125mg of D-bol Vs 125mg od Drol

anyway,wanted to say thanks to the friends I have made over the yrs,and goodluck to all of you, this board isnt for me or anyone who is willing to discuss with other adults true life experiences. you have to be 18 to log onto this site but yet when someone 22 yrs old posts these know it alls have nothing to say except your "too young"...hahah, thats because thats all they know to say. dont believe everything you read because most of it it is outdated bullsh!t.............

DD OUT!

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***T-MOS*** · 08-04-2009, 09:49 AM

I think the problem is this is NEWBIE driven board !! and a YOUNG Newbie driven board at that.

you tell an 18 year old its ok to do 500mgs of test, and he is gonna think well, if 500 is good for you , then I am gonna do 1000mgs/week....IF 50mgs/ed of Dbol is good for 4 weeks, then hell I'm gonna take 100mgs/ed for 12 weeks. They think they are indestructible and don't have the mental maturity to think about their future 20 years down the road. So, it is OUR responsibility to rein them in and TEACH them WHY it is dangerous to them , not tell them , SURE you can do a cycle and have NO problems.

Maybe they will or maybe they will be one of the ones that never fully recover and YOU are the one that told him it was OK to do......You may be able to live with that, but not me !!!

THOSE are the ones you should be here to TEACH and help stay SAFE!! NOT give reckless advice like JUICE AUTHORITY, SERIOUSMASS and some others do, yourself INCLUDED !! that is where the argument started

I do many things that I would NEVER advise on this board. but I have 10 years of gear experience and I am 44 and I KNOW how my body reacts to things. that DOESN'T mean that is all I know to say, but that is all THEY need to hear!!!

an 18 year old or 17 year old or 22 year old for that matter still has NO CLUE and it is reckless to be telling them its OK to mess with your HPTA when they have NO CLUE how to even diet yet!!

When YOU start giving advice on something that can potentially screw someone's health up for life, then you HAVE TO also take the responsibility of your advice so that is why we err to the side of caution on this board.

you want to talk about crazy cycles and crazy doses, there are OTHER boards for that NOT THIS ONE

IF this isn't your cup of tea, then you need to let it go and move on to another board!!

**Papa Smurf** · 08-04-2009, 10:27 AM

Gonna throw in my .02 cents:

Ive been here a short time and have learned so much from so many different people, vets and newbies alike.
I enjoy this board because it is an open exchange of different opinons. I also think we should be very aware of what is posted to the young readers, but not at the expense of shutting down the exchange of opinons!

This board, as I read it, was not created to save the young from the evils of steriod abuse. We educate as best we can. Give or opinons and advice on OUR real world experiences.
Everytime someone post up a recent cycle with pics (and TMos Im using your current cycle as an example) we risk some kid looking at it and thinking "dang! that guy is huge! im gonna go buy Metyl Tren and cycle that.
Does that mean we dont want to see and know about your cycle? Of course not! That type of thread is the very reason Im here. REAL RESULTS from REAL PEOPLE.

We teach our childern at a very young age (13 or so) not to have sex. Yet our schools teach them how to use and even provide them with condoms.
Because they know some will. They just want to keep the ones that do safe.
But they will always preach, dont have sex first.

No one on this board is EVER going to talk a teen out of doing something that they have got their mind made up to do, we all know that.

So here is the problem. Tell them your too young and give no advice other than eat right and train. That will make you feel good. Now the kids gonna do some silly ass cycle with no PCT. Cant we just do both. Tell them why its wrong and they should wait, but if they cant........ heres a condom!

Kids are gonna have sex, their gonna take drugs, and they are gonna do steriods . We cant stop that.

But like someones well respected advatar clearly states............ we can educate!

**spooledup** · 08-04-2009, 10:27 AM

I agree with the OP 100%.

**marcus300** · 08-04-2009, 10:47 AM

If you knew me you would know i speak from experience not studies, that's what i use to fight with Anthony Roberts over his studies vs my personal experience, your talking sh1t yet again. Ive been training since i was 19yrs old and i will be 42yrs tomorrow. I was under Paul Borreson's wing for many years and we experimented many times with high burst cycles and many other methods and protocols of cycling while mixing many different compounds together, i have a vast personal background in AAS but I also read many studies, but ive stated many times that studies are just that and i prefer personal experience over studies each time because with every study there is a contradicting one which shows something different, also studies usually dont run dosages we use or even use men who run a bodybuilding lifestyle, so saying i quote studies is totally wrong, i speak mostly from experience, check my back posts out if you dont believe me.

I have also ran and organised Bodybuilding competition, advice top BB's with all aspects of their preparation and had a very successful online consultation business which i never asked for business and was always recommended, i also had a successful supplementation company which i wont go into at this moment in time but I dont need to express who i am or what ive done but i do feel i need to open your eyes alittle.

I also claim bullsh1t on your claims of being on for 4 yrs because 3-4yrs ago you was claiming the same thing, i can quote threads and posts if you want me to but everyone can go back and look over your old threads were you stated you was 292lbs and have been on for 4 yrs and you have a 5 yr plan!! well if you can add up you will see by your claims you should of been on for around 7yrs solid now and you claim your still 292lbs, seems strange its the exact same weight you were 3-4 yrs ago, anyone can go check out his bullsh1t for themselves unless he edited it all!! I also knew you was going to go down the route of saying i lost body fat and i did get bigger BUT it didnt suit me so i lost bf, what a total get out, your a liar and fraud and all because i outed you for what you are you get upset.

I also stand by the claim that much of your advice is reckless, not all of it because i do agree with some but your advice to newbies who haven't even cycled yet, you dont even try and put them off is its plain reckless, i for one have seem so many young guys on hrt in their 20's because starting to young, dont tell me you have never come across this is all your yrs of training? i cant and i say that again I CANT advice a 18yrs old guy to cycle, it just goes against everything i am and who i am, i have to try all means to steer them away, your comments saying "well they going to do it anyway no matter what i say" is a complete sack of sh1t, this board is newbie driven, many guys dont even post and just read and this is were its dangerous, advising them how to do it properly and safely is stupid behaviour, how cant advice a 18yrs how to do it safely!! think about it for two mins trust me it will come to you, i dont have to spell it out for you. Ive also help many BB's who are suicidal because of how they feel due to cycling to young, but guess you have never come across that in the cave your out of.

You was demoted because there were complaints, i had that many PM's saying it looks bad a vet giving this advice, i cant even think how many admin had and now your spitting your dummy out! the only people who think you was right are young kids who want to hear it, anyone with two brian cells or older will try there best to help them in a way which is healthy and best for them.

Your a fraud and all because i outed you, you have the hump, chill out and go and cut more bf down, your bloated,fat and reckless but them again you have been in the off season for 7yrs hahaha.

We are all have an opinion and this what makes the community good, i welcome all aspects of other peoples opinion, i still learn to this day from many people from this board that's why i like it, but not you of course because you know it all dont you!!! ive seem so many people like you over my time, i cant post PM's because they are private but if only you knew! alot of people think the same way.

I wont even go into drol, i personally have taken its many times and i stand by my claim by saying I think its a powerful compound, the strength and size ive had from this compound and the sides ive had to deal with doesn't make it weak in my book, oh and if you read any study on it i am sure they claim the same, check out bigcats profile he normally speaks the truth.