Please BE CRITICAL on my First Cycle

**BJJ** · 08-06-2009, 04:13 PM

First of all thanks for reading...

Lastly, I decided to run a cycle to get some more clean muscles avoiding to get too big and heavy since I am a martial artist and weight for me is an issue.
These are my stats: 6'1.5 feet, 198 pounds, 10% BF, 35yo

So, this is what I figured out so far could be a good first complete cycle:

WEEKS 1-12 (BULKING)

- TEST E 500 MG EW (250 monday morning, 250 thursday evening)
- ARIMIDEX 0,5 MG ED

- HCG 250 IU ED (WEEK 12 ONLY)
- NOLVA 20 MG ED (WEEK 12 ONLY)

WEEKS 13-14 (PRE PCT)

- HCG 250 IU ED
- NOLVA 20 MG ED
- VITAMIN E 1000 IU ED

WEEKS 15-18 (PCT)

- NOLVA 20 MG ED
- CLOMID 50 MG ED (2W), 25 MG ED (2W)
- VITAMIN C 2G ED

So, what do you think after all?
Could it be achievable with less risks?
Thank you very much indeed.

**strength_addict14** · 08-06-2009, 04:22 PM

Looks well planned to me.

**Phate** · 08-06-2009, 04:31 PM

why are you using the nolva for a "prepct"

**BJJ** · 08-06-2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

why are you using the nolva for a "prepct"

Because of the HCG and the related problem associated with the use of it.
Nolva is needed to avoid the side effects of HCG.

**Phate** · 08-06-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Because of the HCG and the related problem associated with the use of it.
Nolva is needed to avoid the side effects of HCG.

you mean leydig cell desensitization right? you won't have that problem unless you run high doses of hcg for longer periods of time then you are running it

**BJJ** · 08-06-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

you mean leydig cell desensitization right? you won't have that problem unless you run high doses of hcg for longer periods of time then you are running it

Yes, that is what I read.
So, you are advising me to get rid of nolva during my pre pct and keep the rest, is that correct?

**Phate** · 08-06-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Yes, that is what I read.
So, you are advising me to get rid of nolva during my pre pct and keep the rest, is that correct?

that's all you need really, you're running a pretty basic cycle so a normal nolva/clomid pct would work fine, you can use hcg if you like to help but no need for a "pre pct"

**gymnerd** · 08-06-2009, 05:09 PM

I would just do .5mg of adex eod not ed and run it right up till you start pct that should help take care of and probs the hcg could give you. Other than that looks good if diet training are in order you should be a happy camper.

**RANA** · 08-06-2009, 06:35 PM

Why are you running a-dex on your cycle? I would have it on hand if needed but dont use unless you need. PrePCT? Not needed. PCT should be nolva and clomid and should be taking 14 days after your last injection not one week.

**gymnerd** · 08-06-2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

Why are you running a-dex on your cycle? I would have it on hand if needed but dont use unless you need. PrePCT? Not needed. PCT should be nolva and clomid and should be taking 14 days after your last injection not one week.

I have heard it argued that estrogen control while on cycle is a good idea even if your not gyno prone because estro neg. effects every man in some way or another (of course some is needed for gains). If low dose adex will not effect gains much why not use it?

**BJJ** · 08-07-2009, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

that's all you need really, you're running a pretty basic cycle so a normal nolva/clomid pct would work fine, you can use hcg if you like to help but no need for a "pre pct"

So under your suggestions this would be my cycle, correct?

WEEKS 1-12 (BULKING)

- TEST E 500 MG EW (250 monday morning, 250 thursday evening)
- ARIMIDEX 0,5 MG ED

WEEKS 13-14 (Just work-out)

WEEKS 15-18 (PCT)

- NOLVA 20 MG ED
- CLOMID 50 MG ED (2W), 25 MG ED (2W)
- VITAMIN C 2G ED

**BJJ** · 08-07-2009, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by RANA

Why are you running a-dex on your cycle? I would have it on hand if needed but dont use unless you need. PrePCT? Not needed. PCT should be nolva and clomid and should be taking 14 days after your last injection not one week.

Because I do not know how my body will respond so, since I read that almost everyone needs to control the estrogen while on cycle, I could too.
Basically, I am afraid to get in too late and get the gyno side effects.

However, what do you suggets instead of a-dex? just wait and see?

**Matt** · 08-07-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Because I do not know how my body will respond so, since I read that almost everyone needs to control the estrogen while on cycle, I could too.
Basically, I am afraid to get in too late and get the gyno side effects.

However, what do you suggets instead of a-dex? just wait and see?

Everyone is different lol, ive never needed it but always have it on hand....

**BJJ** · 08-07-2009, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

Everyone is different lol, ive never needed it but always have it on hand....

Do you mean you run a test e cycle without any estrogen protection?

**G4R** · 08-07-2009, 06:21 AM

I believe he means he has never needed the adex, but has it on hand just in case.

**RANA** · 08-07-2009, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

I have heard it argued that estrogen control while on cycle is a good idea even if your not gyno prone because estro neg. effects every man in some way or another (of course some is needed for gains). If low dose adex will not effect gains much why not use it?

Your right I have heard it argued both ways, I have only need to us a-dex once for about a week and have never had any other signs of gyno on any other cycle. My personal belief is us it if needed but that is just me.

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

Everyone is different lol, ive never needed it but always have it on hand....

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**BJJ** · 08-14-2009, 10:42 AM

Pls guys can you check my new thread with the first cycle review and tell me what you think, also considering your advices?
Thank you all.

**dangerous dan** · 08-14-2009, 11:04 AM

Week 1 clomid 100mgs ed/ nolva 40mgs ed
Week 2 clomid 50mgs ed/ nolva 40mgs ed
Week 3 clomid 50mgs ed/ nolva 20mgs ed
Week 4 clomid 50mgs ed/ nolva 20mgs ed

basic pct, maybe sum armidex for bloat

**BJJ** · 08-20-2009, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by dangerous dan

Week 1 clomid 100mgs ed/ nolva 40mgs ed
Week 2 clomid 50mgs ed/ nolva 40mgs ed
Week 3 clomid 50mgs ed/ nolva 20mgs ed
Week 4 clomid 50mgs ed/ nolva 20mgs ed

basic pct, maybe sum armidex for bloat

to avoid bloat how much adx would you take and for how long?

**sizerp** · 08-20-2009, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

to avoid bloat how much adx would you take and for how long?

Start with .25mg EOD bump it up to .25mg ED or .5 EOD if you see signs of gyno or too much water retention/acne etc.

Also, your PCT should be as dangerous dan suggested.

I would run HCG throughout your entire cycle @ 500I.U. E5thD. Stop at PCT.

**BJJ** · 08-20-2009, 03:51 AM

Runnign HCG throught my cycle would mean 12W of HCG 500 IU E5thD plus 2W before PCT, so 7000 IU.

Why should I do that? Wouldn't be wiser waiting for my testicles to start shrinking and then run 250 IU ED the last 2W of cycle plus 2W before PCT, ttl always 7000 IU?

Thank you.

**sizerp** · 08-20-2009, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Runnign HCG throught my cycle would mean 12W of HCG 500 IU E5thD plus 2W before PCT, so 7000 IU.

Why should I do that? Wouldn't be wiser waiting for my testicles to start shrinking and then run 250 IU ED the last 2W of cycle plus 2W before PCT, ttl always 7000 IU?

Thank you.

Yeah you can wait for them to shrink, sure... Or just prevent it to begin with, with 2x a week shots. No biggie.

**BJJ** · 08-20-2009, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by sizerp

Yeah you can wait for them to shrink, sure... Or just prevent it to begin with, with 2x a week shots. No biggie.

So you mean that for sure they are going to shrink!
Isn't there any possibility that running only test e would keep them normally and the use of hcg could be avoided?