Concern with Shipment

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 01:21 PM

Hello everyone, I am looking to do my first cycle, but I am concerned about a domestic shipment to my house. The guy who is sending it to me said that it would be UPS to a physical address, USPS to a PO box. I gave him my house as a ship to, because UPS drops stuff off all the time there. He confirmed my order, but it said it was coming USPS. I did a trace with the number he gave me and it shows "Signature Required." This is only a 6 week cycle with a few weeks of PCT, so it's definitely not anything in the Big Bucks zone, but I just want to know if anyone thinks that I should accept or refuse? I asked the guy why the sig, and he replied that they need to make sure that I get my gear. That's cool, but at the same time it doesn't make sense. Not like they're looking to enhance their customer service, and it's not like I can do anything if it didn't show up.

Thanks for any comments.

**bass** · 08-07-2009, 01:27 PM

that doesn't make sense to me why the supplier requested a signature! these are the thing even suppliers work hard to avoid. do you know this source or was he recommended to you by someone you trust?

**largerthannormal** · 08-07-2009, 01:35 PM

iva had to sign in the past...lol a few times the post office took it back and i had to go to the post office to sign..lol that was scary..hahah most the time they just drop it. though my normal is USPS... how did he make u pay? if u gave us more details we could help u?

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 01:36 PM

No, I don't know the guy. He was found on one of those sites where you can purchase everything from soup to nuts. Don't want to say the site as for it might not be allowed. I hate to be paranoid like this, but I took it the same way when it wasn't revealed up front about the sig. It would be under $500 that I'm out if I avoid the mail, but would rather do that than some of the other scenarios that flash through my mind.

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

iva had to sign in the past...lol a few times the post office took it back and i had to go to the post office to sign..lol that was scary..hahah most the time they just drop it. though my normal is USPS... how did he make u pay? if u gave us more details we could help u?

It went through PPal

**largerthannormal** · 08-07-2009, 01:43 PM

ppal? hmmmmm normally it be western union or money gram er sumthin..but i dont really see a harm in paypal just not used that often.. you should be fine most law enforcment is not gonna crack down and follow 1 steroid package when theres millions..if theyd catch it the would just hold it at customs..unless its in the states then unless its extrmely late where they could intercept it and send it themselfs i wouldnt worry...if it came from far away i wouldnt be worried with such a small order

**bass** · 08-07-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

No, I don't know the guy. He was found on one of those sites where you can purchase everything from soup to nuts. Don't want to say the site as for it might not be allowed. I hate to be paranoid like this, but I took it the same way when it wasn't revealed up front about the sig. It would be under $500 that I'm out if I avoid the mail, but would rather do that than some of the other scenarios that flash through my mind.

OO, be careful...I’ve never ordered anything YET! but from what i have learned here, that’s a no-no buying things from a site you found on the net. i hope more experienced people can shed some light on this. if i were you i would hold until i get some more feed back to your thread, then make the decision. good luck bro.

**largerthannormal** · 08-07-2009, 01:57 PM

most AAS are from a site bro..its the only way to advertise...the problem is finding the legit companies..if he stuck around for a while and put some time in he could have his product source checked before he buys.

**ninesecz** · 08-07-2009, 02:14 PM

1st off.... If you are doing a 6 week cycle and are even at 1/2 of the $500 you mentioned I still think you paid way too much!! On top of it I honestly know of no Dealer that would actually want to send stuff signature required that is stupid for him and you!! and on top of it Paypal?? I mean it is a great deal for you cause it is very hard for a place to screw you with Paypals buyer protection but something about this seems a little wierd all around! I would never ever ever, sign for a package for anything even remotely illeagal!! That is like giving the Cops or feds or Dea your case in a bag if something like that ever came down!

**largerthannormal** · 08-07-2009, 02:29 PM

agreed!!!!!!!!

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

1st off.... If you are doing a 6 week cycle and are even at 1/2 of the $500 you mentioned I still think you paid way too much!! On top of it I honestly know of no Dealer that would actually want to send stuff signature required that is stupid for him and you!! and on top of it Paypal?? I mean it is a great deal for you cause it is very hard for a place to screw you with Paypals buyer protection but something about this seems a little wierd all around! I would never ever ever, sign for a package for anything even remotely illeagal!! That is like giving the Cops or feds or Dea your case in a bag if something like that ever came down!

At this stage, I'm thinking of just avoiding the mailman or anyone knocking with a package like the plague. Also, the PPal protection gig is great, but what could a guy really do? Go back to them and tell them that their member didn't disclose some specifics on the AAS order, so I declined it? I'm pretty much willing to write it off at this stage.

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

1st off.... If you are doing a 6 week cycle and are even at 1/2 of the $500 you mentioned I still think you paid way too much!! On top of it I honestly know of no Dealer that would actually want to send stuff signature required that is stupid for him and you!! and on top of it Paypal?? I mean it is a great deal for you cause it is very hard for a place to screw you with Paypals buyer protection but something about this seems a little wierd all around! I would never ever ever, sign for a package for anything even remotely illeagal!! That is like giving the Cops or feds or Dea your case in a bag if something like that ever came down!

It was actually closer to $350. I agree, a signature just puts everyone in harms way. On the flip side, it seems kind of silly that all of these big time agencies would be tying up there time with a small potato like me.

***FireGuy*** · 08-07-2009, 02:39 PM

Many people who "ship things" will only ship via signature required mail. There are tons of reverse scammers out there who try to get a 2nd shipment for free after receiving their goods.

**ninesecz** · 08-07-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

At this stage, I'm thinking of just avoiding the mailman or anyone knocking with a package like the plague. Also, the PPal protection gig is great, but what could a guy really do? Go back to them and tell them that their member didn't disclose some specifics on the AAS order, so I declined it? I'm pretty much willing to write it off at this stage.

No No No Nothing like that ut lets say you had a source you were going to use... You send them money Via PayPal and never get anything... You put in a complaint with paypal and if the person on the other end does not fix the issue or respond within X amount of days, Paypal pulls the money from his account/Credit Card and pays you back!
There would never be a mention of AAS being purchased but when you send the money I am sure you are checking the box for services or item purchased. See when you open a Paypal account like he has, you have to link it to a CreditCard and / or Bank Account. So if you really want to you could make a legit complaint to Paypal... This situation here is kind of wacky though! I would honestly have not done business with them once they told me I was going to have to sign for the package... BIG RED FLAG IN my book!!

**G4R** · 08-07-2009, 02:49 PM

Yeah, the signature is a signed confession. It all seems a little fishy. You buy from a source who wants to use paypal, then tells you it will be shipped UPS.... only to find out later that they shipped USPS? And it will need to be signed for?

I don't want to add to your paranoia, or make this out to be something it isn't, but this sounds like a classic setup from a movie. If it were me, when they show up and ask for a sig, "I never ordered anything"

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

No No No Nothing like that ut lets say you had a source you were going to use... You send them money Via PayPal and never get anything... You put in a complaint with paypal and if the person on the other end does not fix the issue or respond within X amount of days, Paypal pulls the money from his account/Credit Card and pays you back!
There would never be a mention of AAS being purchased but when you send the money I am sure you are checking the box for services or item purchased. See when you open a Paypal account like he has, you have to link it to a CreditCard and / or Bank Account. So if you really want to you could make a legit complaint to Paypal... This situation here is kind of wacky though! I would honestly have not done business with them once they told me I was going to have to sign for the package... BIG RED FLAG IN my book!!

That's the whole thing, he never told me about a sig. The way I found out was when I traced it and found it on the USPS site. Then when I hit him up, that's when he said they just wanted to make sure I got it. If I would have known up front, I would have passed on it. He stated UPS to physical addresses, which is what I thought would be the case. Thanks So Much!

**The One** · 08-07-2009, 04:33 PM

signature required is the least of your problems because you use pay pal which can be traced back to you(unless you used your mom or girlfriends name)

by going thru west, or money gram you can deny, deny, deny

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 04:47 PM

Guys, thanks for all your thoughts. It is what it is, and like anything, we'll deal with it as it comes. Funny thing is, I have traced this guy to a fortune teller site out of London, along with a few other things where it looks like he is just trying to make a buck. I think he's got a link with a supplier in the US (that's his big selling point-'Domestic Shipments'). His email (I would love to reveal, but yep, I know the rules) is pretty traceable with various methods of searching. In addition, PPAl gives out his web too. I think there's a good chance that he is just as much as a newbie at that level as I am with trying to get the stuff. YES, lesson learned!

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by The One

signature required is the least of your problems because you use pay pal which can be traced back to you(unless you used your mom or girlfriends name)

by going thru west, or money gram you can deny, deny, deny

What I can't figure out is that I have read numerous posts about signatures and buying from reputable places, and the responses are overwhelming with statements that they'll be just fine. Why is it that my lousy $350 beginner cycle is going to create such a ruckus that will be beyond the sliver screen of Hollywood? I'm not accepting the package!!!! Like the Grateful Dead said, "If you got a warrant, then I guess you're going to come in." Also, no Mom or in my case, Wife, is being used. If a $350 one time and only time user is their biggest objective, then God Bless them!

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-07-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

Many people who "ship things" will only ship via signature required mail. There are tons of reverse scammers out there who try to get a 2nd shipment for free after receiving their goods.

agreed.....what the hell are all you paranoids that have never even ordered anything doing scaring the guy

BG · 08-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

agreed.....what the hell are all you paranoids that have never even ordered anything doing scaring the guy

Lmao. Shouldn't be a problem I've had to sign for a few.

**peachfuzz** · 08-07-2009, 05:58 PM

You are busted small fry!

but on a serious note i think your fine. do you know who your regular mail person is?

**RANA** · 08-07-2009, 06:02 PM

You should be good to go, cops will not waste there time on shipping one cycle unless it comes internationally! So what is your 6 week cycle?

NS · 08-07-2009, 06:11 PM

out of interest, what are the potential punishments in the US for buying steroids for personal use?

**ninesecz** · 08-07-2009, 07:03 PM

I would call this ashole or write ho9m or whatever and tell him you are refusing signature and for his stupidity, you want it reshipped or you are filing a formal complaint with paypal! Either he will reship correctly and problem solved, or he refuses and you start a dispute and get your money back! Just do not evver tell PP that is was for drugs or steroids or anything of that nature.. say you bought a car stero off odf craigslist or something like that!

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

You should be good to go, cops will not waste there time on shipping one cycle unless it comes internationally! So what is your 6 week cycle?

Well, it was going to be:
Test C (500cc for 4 weeks)
Primobolan
Win
Clen (week 4-6)

Nolvadex
Clomid (PCT)

I was actually going to hit you guys up about this, because I think the Win might be a bit of an overkill, but maybe not.

Young 40's, 5'-11", 186lb, around 12%bf and getting better. At least 4 solid days of resistance training per week, and 1 cardio only.

Also, Dr. put me on AndroGel back in Jan due to low test. I know that stuff doesn't get the respect of real gear, but I got to tell you that I had some great gains for 2 months or so, and I gained almost 18 pounds. It got me in mode to know that I want to take this to my full potential and grow a hell of lot more, and get some of those extra cuts for putting in some serious hard work at the gym.

**xephonics** · 08-07-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

You should be good to go, cops will not waste there time on shipping one cycle unless it comes internationally! So what is your 6 week cycle?

why would they care more about international? one cycle is one cycle right?

**TITANIUM** · 08-07-2009, 08:17 PM

My stuff comes internationally. I only pay with western union.No exceptions.Never had to sign for anything ever.

I think you will be fine, but just take note, that sighing for AAS is not what the party wants, nor what you want.

These deals are Usually avoided.

**The One** · 08-07-2009, 09:09 PM

vetteman you already used pay pal(your name credit card and address) so if it's found they already have you, so just sign for the package when it arrives and remember not to go that route again in the future.

signing for a package with illegal content in it is crazy. if it's a large enough package dea will come to your door as the mailman or the ups driver and wait for you to sign the package. on the other hand, if the package doesn't require a sig. they will call you in and see if you will admit to the package being yours and at that point you can: DENY, DENY, DENY.

why don't they simply send the package with delivery confirmation that way you and the seller is protected with out the signature. if you have a dispute all the seller has to do is submit the tracking code to pay pal showing that a package arrived to your address.

**RANA** · 08-07-2009, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by xephonics

why would they care more about international? one cycle is one cycle right?

A cycle is a cycle but with international shipments there are numerous charges the feds can getting you on but you would most likely receive a fine on low quantities. Feds usually are attempting to obtain more information regarding sources to get the bigger fish, so if you get large quantities internationally that is where you can get in big trouble. Plus when it comes to domestic if you order your gear (this is only and example) from Cali and have it shipped to Texas (Small quantity) this would not be productive to the cops to act in a undercover capacity due to the factor that the money they spend on that kind of an operation would be wasted for you to be charge with a misdemeanor.
They are attempting to get the sources not so much the users.

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

You are busted small fry!

but on a serious note i think your fine. do you know who your regular mail person is?

I know the mailman pretty good. I guess if USPS treats it like any other piece of mail needing a sig, they'll leave a slip for me to pick up at the post office.

**peachfuzz** · 08-07-2009, 10:29 PM

i think if it were a controlled delivery it would be someone other then your usual mail carrier showing up.

**Vettester** · 08-07-2009, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

A cycle is a cycle but with international shipments there are numerous charges the feds can getting you on but you would most likely receive a fine on low quantities. Feds usually are attempting to obtain more information regarding sources to get the bigger fish, so if you get large quantities internationally that is where you can get in big trouble. Plus when it comes to domestic if you order your gear (this is only and example) from Cali and have it shipped to Texas (Small quantity) this would not be productive to the cops to act in a undercover capacity due to the factor that the money they spend on that kind of an operation would be wasted for you to be charge with a misdemeanor.
They are attempting to get the sources not so much the users.

That's kind of how I see it. I just can't see this major sting happening that would cost them thousands; all for this chump change. However, when you're sitting in the barrel wondering why the supplier took the stupid route like he did, it makes one second guess that anything is possible. I'll just stay low and avoid anyone who looks like Nick Nolte or Denzel Washington-LOL

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-08-2009, 12:40 PM

It's possible to sign for a package without even knowing what's in it. When I used to live at home with my family, I got packages all the time and my family members would sign for them without even knowing what's inside.

So when he comes to the door, you can be just like "oh lovely my mother must have sent me a birthday present". Or just say nothing. Whatever. Doesn't matter. You can always say you were expecting a hoover extension you ordered from Germany.

Also there's no need to sign your real name. Sign "Barry Obama" if you want.

When you sign for a package, you're not saying "This package contains steroids and I admit that I ordered them".

The way I see it, if they knew that steroids were inside, the package wouldn't make it to your house. The fact that the post dude is standing outside your door with it shows that it got through the system undetected. And even when you accept it, you can still claim that you thought it was the hoover extension you were expecting.

**HaRdBoY2383** · 08-15-2009, 10:58 AM

A good buddy of mine hooked me up with a cycle and was sending it himself domestically to my house. It is coming from a place about 12-14 hours driving distance. It was shipped normal ground and it has been about 5 days and it is still not here.

I have been reading the posts so I know how to avoid getting caught but I have no recieved a letter or anything. If it did get nabbed, would I definitely have some sort of correspondence from either the authorities or USPS or could it just be taken and I never hear anything?

**HaRdBoY2383** · 08-15-2009, 11:44 AM

A good buddy of mine hooked me up with a cycle and was sending it himself domestically to my house. It is coming from a place about 12-14 hours driving distance. It was shipped normal ground and it has been about 5 days and it is still not here.

I have been reading the posts so I know how to avoid getting caught but I have no recieved a letter or anything. If it did get nabbed, would I definitely have some sort of correspondence from either the authorities or USPS or could it just be taken and I never hear anything?