Long Cycle

[arenawarrior]

STATS
Age: 23
weight 175
height : 5'10
BF: 13%
Cycle Experience: Test E. 12 Weeks 500mg/week 250mg every 3.5 days. Very basic. Did PCT and all that about a year ago.
Lifting: Football,rugby,wrestling for 14 years. Lifted heavy for while then stopped few months ago when school got very busy and working full time.
Eat good still.

CYCLE
Long Cycle, will be a bulk then cut cycle.
Bulk
1-12 Test E 250mg/3.5 days

Cut
13-21 TrenA 100mg/EOD Wk
13- 22 TestP 100mg/EOD WK

PCT
23 Nova 20-30mg/eod

DIET

Bulking Diet

Meal 1.
* Only be drinking water or soy milk
Breakfast 6am
535(cal) 9.3(F) 70.4(C) 41.3(P)
Egg, white only, cooked 1 cup
onion Bagels with light Cheese cream
8oz Soy milk

Meal 2. 9am
583(cal) 31.1(F) 9.6(C) 64.3(P)
8oz Chicken
Small head of lettuce no dressing

Meal 3. 11am
661(cal) 5.2(F) 96.6(C) 53.5(9)
Tuna, canned, water pack
2 Cups Brown instant rice cooked

Meal 4. Lunch 1pm
577(cal) 10.9 (F) 30.8(C) 94(P)
tilapia fish 12 oz
Salad Bag with fat free dressing

Work out
Meal 5.
320(cal) 2(F) 4(C) 64(P)
Protein Shake

meal 6 4pm
681(cal) 9.5(F) 54.9(C) 89.9(P)
2 cans of tuna
Potatos


Meal 7. Dinner 6pm
772 (cal) 32.5(F) 48.3(C) 66.5 (P)
Well just say its usually chick/steak and rice/potato + salad.



Meal 8 Maybe/Maybe not

Protein Shake + 1 tablespoon peanut butter + raspberries

286.1 (C) 9.5 (F) 13.2 (C) 36.7(P)

TOTAL= 4415 (cal) 110(F) 327.8(C) 510.2(P)
*****Ate similiar to this my first cycle and had great gains, I dont eat anywhere near this now, but I plan on doing it soon.

Cutting Diet

Will probably just be half of this.


Lift:

Day 1: Cardio to start. chest, outer shoulders

DAY 2: outer back, traps, forearms, biceps

Day 3: legs, calves

DAY 4: All Cardio Light day

Day 5:triceps, shoulders

Day 6. inner back, lower back, glutes, traps, forearms

Day 7 Light cardio Off day.


Any input would be great.

[arenawarrior]

I plan on doing this in 2 weeks.

[arenawarrior]

bump any advice?

[arenawarrior]

probably going to cut cal count to 3750-4000

[TITANIUM]

Wait till Big T hits this up.


Seems like alot of gear for your age.



What's your blood work look like?

[romo6]

Pct looks very weak.EOD nolva? I would do the prop and tren at 50 everyday.Good luck.

[ninesecz]

are you in some type of hurry?/ Why would you run this cycle like this? It is like you hve to get this done in 6 months so you are combining 2 cycles into 1! not very smart if you ask me! I would never run a cycle for 24 weeks like that! Man that is 6 months of solid gear!!

[romo6]

are you in some type of hurry?/ Why would you run this cycle like this? It is like you hve to get this done in 6 months so you are combining 2 cycles into 1! not very smart if you ask me! I would never run a cycle for 24 weeks like that! Man that is 6 months of solid gear!!

You are right.

[.EA.]

Agreed with nine's post.


If you read more about this subject you will realize that muscle, like growth in general, spurts in waves. People hit growth spurts in "cycles" if I may say. You don't grow for 18-21 years straight, it happens in waves. That's why sometimes people hit their plateau and will need to re-tweak their diet/workout.


Same goes for cycles. If done correctly, you will stay at your peak anabolic state for 12 weeks, but after that you have a chance of running into the catabolic state, which is what you don't want.

Personally with all the advice that I have received and read from the more experienced bodybuilders on this site I wouldn't-and unless you're going pro you shouldn't-run cycles longer than 12 weeks. Then recover, prime for your next cycle and put your body into an anabolic state, and induce another spurt of growth.

Also my opinion is of the less experienced, but I think most "Pros" on these forums will tell you that THAT is a lot of gear.

Remember gear is only 5% of the equation. The outcome depends on your diet, motivation to bettering your body, hard work, and discipline. I have been told this many times, and I may be hot-headed, but I listen to my elders...

[TITANIUM]

Agreed with nine's post.


If you read more about this subject you will realize that muscle, like growth in general, spurts in waves. People hit growth spurts in "cycles" if I may say. You don't grow for 18-21 years straight, it happens in waves. That's why sometimes people hit their plateau and will need to re-tweak their diet/workout.


Same goes for cycles. If done correctly, you will stay at your peak anabolic state for 12 weeks, but after that you have a chance of running into the catabolic state, which is what you don't want.

Personally with all the advice that I have received and read from the more experienced bodybuilders on this site I wouldn't-and unless you're going pro you shouldn't-run cycles longer than 12 weeks. Then recover, prime for your next cycle and put your body into an anabolic state, and induce another spurt of growth.

Also my opinion is of the less experienced, but I think most "Pros" on these forums will tell you that THAT is a lot of gear.

Remember gear is only 5% of the equation. The outcome depends on your diet, motivation to bettering your body, hard work, and discipline. I have been told this many times, and I may be hot-headed, but I listen to my elders...

Good work......

[arenawarrior]

ya that sounds good.. EA. And your right about the "growth spurts". I guess ill run a Test E 12 weeks then PCT, then 12 weeks off. And then start my Cutting cycle. Is that what what u guys suggest?

[ninesecz]

Agreed with nine's post.


If you read more about this subject you will realize that muscle, like growth in general, spurts in waves. People hit growth spurts in "cycles" if I may say. You don't grow for 18-21 years straight, it happens in waves. That's why sometimes people hit their plateau and will need to re-tweak their diet/workout.


Same goes for cycles. If done correctly, you will stay at your peak anabolic state for 12 weeks, but after that you have a chance of running into the catabolic state, which is what you don't want.

Personally with all the advice that I have received and read from the more experienced bodybuilders on this site I wouldn't-and unless you're going pro you shouldn't-run cycles longer than 12 weeks. Then recover, prime for your next cycle and put your body into an anabolic state, and induce another spurt of growth.

Also my opinion is of the less experienced, but I think most "Pros" on these forums will tell you that THAT is a lot of gear.

Remember gear is only 5% of the equation. The outcome depends on your diet, motivation to bettering your body, hard work, and discipline. I have been told this many times, and I may be hot-headed, but I listen to my elders...

Yeh i was so into the length and you amount of gear I never thought about it but E.A. is right! There is a very very good chance that nyou will hit a "wall" long before the 23-24 week point! That is for one, a lot of wated gear if you plataue and keep using, and 2 if you do leep mmaking gains, you mifght screw yourself from further gains so bad you will never have a succesful cycle agian! That would honestly suck at your young age!

[TITANIUM]

Keep it at 12 weeks.

Break.

12+4(pct)=16 wks.

This is the minumum.

I break up to 18 wks.

Better safe than sorry.

Your still young, and if you screw up your HPTA, then you really have problems.

[ninesecz]

Yeh Titanium is correct ! Cycle length +PCT = Time Off ... This is the calculaion most of us on here try and stick to! I am sure 12 weeks instead of 16 or 18 would not kill you but again.... what is the hurry? You are young bro! you have all the time in the world to do it right!! On the other hand, who knows how much time you will have if you rush things and run 24+ week cycles!! think about that! Stay healthy brotha ! Do it the right way!

[.EA.]

ya that sounds good.. EA. And your right about the "growth spurts". I guess ill run a Test E 12 weeks then PCT, then 12 weeks off. And then start my Cutting cycle. Is that what what u guys suggest?

That is precisely what was suggested.

Also if I may personally suggest, after you have finished PCT, readjust your diet and workout routine. Then prime your body into initiating a cutting cycle. Then, as of the start of the cycle, change up your workout routine once again.

Apparently, and as I found myself, muscle and body confusion really seems to help especially when cutting. This post will need to be looked at and reinforced by one of the VETs, but I believe if you stick to something along these lines, you should be able to get as much out of your cycles as you're willing to work for.

Remember, where the mind has gone, the body will follow. 95% of everything in life is mental. It's because of this that the most valuable thing on Earth is information. Always has been, always will be.

[arenawarrior]

Thanks everyone for the great advice. Very helpful. Also great call on the Changing up the workout routine, I did that in sports alot and i guess just forgot about it. Cheers again and thanks for all your input.