Enough Test?

**pumper88** · 08-10-2009, 12:07 PM

Hi

I am planning a cycle of sust 300mg per week.
However i have been informed it may not be enough.
Should i ditch the cycle and buy enough for 500mg per week or should i commit to the cycle i have enough for?

If i do commit to the small amount of 300mg per week should will i expect any good gains?

(by the way i have pct and yes my diet is in perfect order as i have a personal trainer who has mapped the 'perfect diet out for me')

**ted666** · 08-10-2009, 12:11 PM

i thought sustanon only came in 250 mg doses ?

***FireGuy*** · 08-10-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by ted666

i thought sustanon only came in 250 mg doses ?

1.2 ml 250mg/ml =300mgs.

**pumper88** · 08-10-2009, 12:13 PM

thats the amount in each vial, i can load as much or as little in the syringe as i want

***FireGuy*** · 08-10-2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by pumper88

thats the amount in each vial, i can load as much or as little in the syringe as i want

I understand that, not sure why 666 thought this was a point of contention.

***FireGuy*** · 08-10-2009, 12:20 PM

To answer your question, many people have had great gains on 300mgs per week, especially on a first cycle.

**pumper88** · 08-10-2009, 12:22 PM

i was responding to 666 not you fireguy.

Really, but is there enough difference in gains if i were to up to 500mg or do you think on a first cycle it wouldnt really matter if i had the correct diet and training

**peachfuzz** · 08-10-2009, 12:24 PM

how long do you plan to be on cycle for?

what do you have lined up for post cycle?

how old are you?

is this your first cycle?

height?

weight?

***FireGuy*** · 08-10-2009, 12:25 PM

I am sure there would be some difference, but we can make that argument and say 700 is better than 500 and so on and so on. I would use as little as necessary. You can always add more next time if you feel the need.

**ninesecz** · 08-10-2009, 12:26 PM

300 mg a week will yield decent gains but you might be more prone to see beter gains from something like test e at that dose. With the sust, you will be losin app. 60mg of that a week because there is some prop etc. in the test and if not shot eod you will not be utilizing those esters. To get full potential out of the sust, 500mg will work better and give you a little higher dosage of the prop and other short esters. I too have also seen sust 270 and sust 300

**pumper88** · 08-10-2009, 12:26 PM

1st cycle

10 weeks

nolva and clomid and hcg

stats

24
193pounds
6.1/2
bf 8%

**pumper88** · 08-10-2009, 12:27 PM

thanks nine thats shed some light on why 500mg would be effective at that dose

**pumper88** · 08-10-2009, 12:30 PM

im not sure what to do now with the split advice...

***FireGuy*** · 08-10-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

300 mg a week will yield decent gains but you might be more prone to see beter gains from something like test e at that dose. With the sust, you will be losin app. 60mg of that a week because there is some prop etc. in the test and if not shot eod you will not be utilizing those esters. To get full potential out of the sust, 500mg will work better and give you a little higher dosage of the prop and other short esters. I too have also seen sust 270 and sust 300

I believe the total yield with sust is still higher than with enanthate . If you have something that shows what the total yield comes out to on the 4 mixed tests blends with sust please drop a link in this thread.

**ninesecz** · 08-10-2009, 12:37 PM

You ned to figure out what you think is best for you. All I was saying if you shoot sust correctly (EOD) this is in order to get the short esters involved you are going to have to do
injections of 1/4 of a cc every injection. this is going to give you like 6-7mg of prop per injection. This is going to basically mean that you will be shooting 300mg of sust a week be realistically after what gets wasted, and what you lose from the short ester not really getting used, You are actually only getting about 175mg a week of actual test. s the other guys said you will obviously see some gains from this but most have found that right around 500mg a week seems to be the optimal dose for most people

**ninesecz** · 08-10-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

I believe the total yield with sust is still higher than with enanthate. If you have something that shows what the total yield comes out to on the 4 mixed tests blends with sust please drop a link in this thread.

Do not have anything I can throw up right now but I am pretty sure you understand what I am saying! not sure how 250vs 250 the yield could be higher with sust than with E. They are both test.

**peachfuzz** · 08-10-2009, 12:45 PM

then you have to account for waste factor

then you have to account for supression of natural test levels

im personally not a fan of anything under 400. but i have seen people make gains off 350 a week. think it comes down to the individual.

***FireGuy*** · 08-10-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

Do not have anything I can throw up right now but I am pretty sure you understand what I am saying! not sure how 250vs 250 the yield could be higher with sust than with E. They are both test.

Because enanthate yields only 70% test after the ester is removed. With Sust I believe 60mgs (per 250) is prop which yield 80% so we have more test being delivered. 250 mgs of enanthate yields 175mgs.

**ted666** · 08-10-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by pumper88

i was responding to 666 not you fireguy.

Really, but is there enough difference in gains if i were to up to 500mg or do you think on a first cycle it wouldnt really matter if i had the correct diet and training

its just the 300mg dosage seemed kinda unique