just 21

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 07:34 PM

many people on here have said that 21 is to young for your first cycle. Why is that?

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 07:39 PM

Bc natural test is still good......stick to diet

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 07:41 PM

i have a pretty good diet. what if i just want to add more

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 07:43 PM

then add it naturally.....juice is not your answer yet wait do some research....maybe your diet needs to changed a little or your workout

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 07:45 PM

Need stats weight/height/bf% and some of these diet guru's can help you there.....post up your workout and alot of ppl can help you

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 07:45 PM

oh and how long training

***T-MOS*** · 08-11-2009, 07:47 PM

because your body isn't fully matured and developed yet

because your NATURAL hormone levels are at their HIGHEST and you would risk losing those high levels when you shut down your HPTA by taking steroids

because your HPTA is not fully developed yet and you risk damage to it that can cause sterility, Erectile problems, libido problems etc....

because your tendons, joints, and connective tissue is not fully developed yet and you risk damage to them that can cause major pain issues later in life

because your growth plates do not naturally fuse until your MID twenties and using steroids now could prematurely fuse them causing developmental issues

any more questions???

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 07:47 PM

about 2 years. im not looking at doing a cycle anytime soon just trying to ask the right questions. when is a good starting age?

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 07:49 PM

most say 25....but it depends on how much growth you are getting naturally.....its when you it that wall and can not seem to get around no matter the changing of diet and workout in my opinion

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 07:52 PM

and like T-Mos said(alot more knowledgable than me hence the more professional launguage) just stick to good diet and workout......post them up let all of our knowledge give you a headache

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 07:54 PM

how many days of rest do you think a muscle group needs after a workout

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 07:57 PM

do you know of P90X? i started that to give my diet and training a change

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:00 PM

debateable subject depends on body type, chemically enhanced, etc.....

Most ppl just do basic split workouts
chest/bi
back/tri
shoulders/traps
legs/calfs

I prefer the one day group
legs
chest
back
shoulders
bi/tri
I do abs one day calfs the next

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:01 PM

i will have to try that and see how it works for me

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:03 PM

when did you guys start using?

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:04 PM

I could see P90x for cardio and cutting up.....more high intense workout
i could be wrong but from what I understand only some can grow from this kind of workout. The rest between sets is needed, due to fact that the muscle can relax before jumping on the next set....usually a 45-90 sec. Biggest question is going to be what are your goals?

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:04 PM

26 first.....not as educated then

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:08 PM

i am 6ft 185. i dont want to get to big. maybe some small gains then cut out

***T-MOS*** · 08-11-2009, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by rocky_349

when did you guys start using?

I started at 35

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:11 PM

Whats your bodyfat?

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:12 PM

guessing 16%

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:12 PM

Hey T-mos can you put that in Red...I like it when you use colors

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:13 PM

What is your desired weight

**hankdiesel** · 08-11-2009, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by rocky_349

i am 6ft 185. i dont want to get to big. maybe some small gains then cut out

It's all about the diet dude. Eat at least six times a day. 185 is thin for 6ft tall. Go to the diet section and concentrate on that for a while.

**ninesecz** · 08-11-2009, 08:14 PM

My first cycle was 30

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:15 PM

185 solid looks good in my opinion if your just trying to be athletic......

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:16 PM

200 but maybe more when i am there

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:18 PM

185 and athletic is kinda what im looking for but alittle more size wouldnt be a bad thing

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:21 PM

Well that is easily reachable without AAS, stick to diet and changing workouts regular...you can put that on in a few years with no problem without the risk of hurting your body

**TITANIUM** · 08-11-2009, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

I started at 35

32 years old for me.

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:23 PM

where can i find info about change my work out up. i find myself doing the same thing a lot

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:25 PM

Well post up your workout....I can help

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:27 PM

m:chest/back
t:cardio
w:shoulders/arms
th:cardio
f:legs
sa:cardio
su:rest

**.EA.** · 08-11-2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

I started at 35

Originally Posted by ninesecz

My first cycle was 30

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

32 years old for me.

Holy shit I stick out like a 14-year-old boy scout's crotch in the morning...

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:31 PM

well I need more than that lol......break it down to sets/reps breaks between each set and warm ups with how many workout sets

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:33 PM

i dont really keep track of that i guess i should start

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:35 PM

Yep lol.....go to workout forums and research

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:36 PM

Oh and I hope you have some thick skin lol

**rocky_349** · 08-11-2009, 08:37 PM

im just starting out and im just looking for info. anything good or bad will help

**RangersLTW** · 08-11-2009, 08:39 PM

What no reponse for the unknown workout and the highly doubtful fact that his diet is not that good since he doesn't keep up with his workout....what a let down haha

Not being a ass man.....i will be nice and help you.....apparently since I cleared a cool two grand in a day I am in a pretty good mood