Finally I can try a cycle

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 01:42 PM

so after looking around my city i got a good hookup to all the equipment I need. I am looking for some help as to how long and how much of everything i should take. Here is my basic Idea

weeks 1-3
Anadrol 50mg ED

weeks 1-10
Test E 1-2cc's twice weekly

then i was thinking nova and something else for my PCT but i am not sure

***T-MOS*** · 08-13-2009, 01:45 PM

We need your complete stats and any cycle history in order to help you

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 01:58 PM

first cycle

stats
5"10
155lbs
training for two years
body fat somewhere around 10%

yes yes i know apparently my diet should be improved and i am not near my natural potential, but i have changed my diet and that's how i have put on 30lbs in the past year, so now im looking for some more gains.

**stpete** · 08-13-2009, 02:07 PM

Age?
Post that diet if you don't mind

**Matt** · 08-13-2009, 02:08 PM

What, so you were 125lbs???? Thats like the same weight as a small girl...

I would continue to make more progress with your diet at this time....

**ninesecz** · 08-13-2009, 02:15 PM

Yeh and 1-2cc a week is a big difference! nthat is like telling someone you want a job making 35,000-70,000 a year! that is a pretty big "ballpark"

**Phate** · 08-13-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by ronixone

first cycle

stats
5"10
155lbs
training for two years
body fat somewhere around 10%

yes yes i know apparently my diet should be improved and i am not near my natural potential, but i have changed my diet and that's how i have put on 30lbs in the past year, so now im looking for some more gains.

good, so you know that diet is going to help you, no cycle yet, the gear will be good for the next 2-3 years so save it, if you can gain 30lbs in a year then you can probably put on 15-20lbs this year with a proper diet without cycling

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 02:17 PM

im 23, but i have stopped gaining in the past six months so instead of pushing my diet i thought id do a cycle. Yes i was 125, super skinny, and hitting 155 i am really impressed with how i look, i guess now i look like the average guy and not some stick.

an average day of meals for me is something like this

breakfast
2 pieces of french toast
2 hard boiled eggs
1 quickmass shake (1200 calories)

snacks
1 cup of almonds
1/2 cup yogurt
1-2 granola bars
bag of vegetables

Lunch is usually a tuna sandwich or a chicken breast

then workout

another quickmass shake (1200 calories)

dinner a steak and potatoes or a chicken breast with whole wheat pasta and rice

***T-MOS*** · 08-13-2009, 02:19 PM

yes there is LOTS of room for improvement on that diet !!!!

**Phate** · 08-13-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by ronixone

im 23, but i have stopped gaining in the past six months so instead of pushing my diet i thought id do a cycle. Yes i was 125, super skinny, and hitting 155 i am really impressed with how i look, i guess now i look like the average guy and not some stick.

an average day of meals for me is something like this

breakfast
2 pieces of french toast
2 hard boiled eggs
1 quickmass shake (1200 calories)

snacks
1 cup of almonds
1/2 cup yogurt
1-2 granola bars
bag of vegetables

Lunch is usually a tuna sandwich or a chicken breast

then workout

another quickmass shake (1200 calories)

dinner a steak and potatoes or a chicken breast with whole wheat pasta and rice

bro you could do so much better with a proper diet, i'm willing to put in the time to help you IF YOU are willing to help yourself

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 02:29 PM

i am always willing to help myself, hence how i gained 30lbs just from eating, maybe not a great diet but a hell of a lot better then what i used to eat. My goal is 170lbs

**Phate** · 08-13-2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by ronixone

i am always willing to help myself, hence how i gained 30lbs just from eating, maybe not a great diet but a hell of a lot better then what i used to eat. My goal is 170lbs

go google harris benedict formula and use it to figure out your BMR, then multiply that by your activity factor and tell us why you picked the activity factor you did

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 02:52 PM

It said i need 2700 calories to maintain my weight
i picked moderately active, because i workout 4-5 times a week for about an hour, usually minimum cardio maybe 10 minutes, i work an office job which has a decent amount of walking but nothing serious.

**Phate** · 08-13-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by ronixone

It said i need 2700 calories to maintain my weight
i picked moderately active, because i workout 4-5 times a week for about an hour, usually minimum cardio maybe 10 minutes, i work an office job which has a decent amount of walking but nothing serious.

good, next thing i want you to do is write down EVERYTHING you eat tomorrow, as well as the amount you each and the macros for each meal, then total the macros for the day and post this, it should look like this(not the actual diet, just the format)

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1.5 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 70g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 50g Dextrose / 50g Maltodextrin

50g protein / 100g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

200gm steak, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Casein Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat

Meal 9: 3:00AM (wake up to piss)

2 Scoops of Casein Protein
30g protein

That turns into approximately 450 grams protein, 270 grams Carbs, and 90 grams of fat. This is roughly 3600 calories

Taking 500 mg Test E (10 weeks) and 40mg Dbol (4 weeks)

Supplements:
Optimum Nutrition Whey
Optimum Nutrition Casein
BCAA’s,
EFA tablets,
Glutamine,
Multivitamin,
Fish oil

**vaders4** · 08-13-2009, 03:02 PM

Your diet is your problem - juice is not going to solve it.

I myself was super skinny just 5 months ago.

6 foot tall and 155lbs, I am now 6 foot 189lbs. I'm guessing I've gained about 8-10lbs of muscle and about 20lbs of fat. Your body can not gain more then 2lbs of muscle a month.

Anyways, your diet is seriously lacking. Something funny happened when I started eating like a beast, I started growing like one.

Here's what I typically eat in a day.

Breakfast - 8 egg whites, 2 packets of oat meal (instant sucks, I'm switching to plain oats), and 1 cup of milk.

Snack - Monster mass drink

Lunch - large lunch, double portion if you can (on the meat side), chicken or beef and get some good carbs in there (rice, pasta, etc).

Snack - Usually a whey protein drink, about 60g protein and 250cals, nothing huge, OR 2 cans of tuna with light mayo and maybe a piece of wheat bread

Dinner: Again, large portions of some source of lean meat (chicken, beef, fish), more carbs (rice, pasta, potatoes).

*gym*

After workout I have another monster mass within 20 minutes

before bed: two cans of tuna, no bread this time.

My diet destroys yours, and mine can use some work, I'm going to totally get rid of those monster mass drinks and substitute them for real food.

You need 7 meals a day, and eat every 3hrs.

Someone has a quote here, "80% diet, 15% training, 5% juice" I don't know who it is, but it's pretty damn true.

Good luck.. from a former skinny guy to a current one

**Mooseman33** · 08-13-2009, 03:26 PM

vader, do u always eat 7 meals a day that are 3 hours apart?

impressive

**vaders4** · 08-13-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

vader, do u always eat 7 meals a day that are 3 hours apart?

impressive

I try, I do always eat 7 meals a day, however sometimes I'll sneak something in between my 3hr "rule"..

Example, breakfast is at 8AM, snack is at 11AM, Lunch is at 1PM, snack at 4PM, Dinner @ 7PM, *gym*, PWO meal 9PM, bedtime snack 12PM.

I really put on some SERIOUS weight this way, I posted a pic in the other thread to try to motivate people not to do juice when they weigh 150lbs.. check it out if you want.

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 03:44 PM

thanks, but are you still gaining or have you stopped at 189? Because that's about the same amount I have gained since working out.

**Mooseman33** · 08-13-2009, 03:45 PM

vader, i saw ur pic, great work man...

i was just curious cause 7 meals @ 3 hours apart leaves no time to sleep..
i was going to be a dick but saw ur pic and realized u are doing great..

keep it up bro

**vaders4** · 08-13-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by ronixone

thanks, but are you still gaining or have you stopped at 189? Because that's about the same amount I have gained since working out.

I've slowed down with my carbs, I can tell my fat % has gone up so I want to be careful.. Don't want a poo-bear belly

I'm getting slight fat in my stomach and chest, so I'm going to start cutting soon.

No doubt in my mind if I keep eating like this I will hit 200lbs in another 2 months, but from here on out I'm going to try to add strictly muscle weight, so my progress will slow down.

My goal is 200-205LBS of LEAN muscle @ 10% BF.

6 foot 200lbs is a respectable size IMO.

Anyways - there isn't a set "limit" to how much you will gain natural. Well, I mean there IS but trust me man you're no where near it.

Any man @ 6 foot tall, even if you are a hardgainer, ectomorph (or whatever excuse you have haha), you can get into the 190-200lbs range with just diet.

**vaders4** · 08-13-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

vader, i saw ur pic, great work man...

i was just curious cause 7 meals @ 3 hours apart leaves no time to sleep..
i was going to be a dick but saw ur pic and realized u are doing great..

keep it up bro

Thanks for the kind words bro.

yeah I mean every 3hrs is a "rule of thumb" but sometimes you have to come in a little early with a meal here and there. It's possible, just stuff it down!!

**ronixone** · 08-13-2009, 05:15 PM

i will up my diet some more and see where that takes me (eating my preworkout meal right now, can of tuna cup of milk and a shake), but im still interested im what you guys think the best setup would be with the gear i posted