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    Post Pls Help First Cycle Review

    What about this kind of first cycle?
    Stats: 6'15 feet, 200 pounds, 12 body fat %, 36 yo

    Week 1-12
    Test en 500 mg EW (mon morning, thu eve, 250mg per shot)

    Week 15-18
    Nolva 40/20/20/20 ED mg
    Clomid 50/50/25/25 ED mg

    1. If I use the HCG during cycle 250iu E3D + Tamox 20mg ED.
    2. If I do not use HCG during cycle then just have Adex on hand, 0,5mg ED till sides subside.
    3. If I do not use HCG during cycle then run it last 2W (11-12) of cycle and 2W prior beginning pct (13-14) 250iu ED + Tamox 20mg ED.

    Am I correct? Any mistakes?
    Thank you.
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    Looks good, I wouldnt bother running the nolva until pct even if the testicles shrink. The HCG will do the trick for that.

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    looks good bro...enjoy and keep us posted as to ur progress

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Looks good, I wouldnt bother running the nolva until pct even if the testicles shrink. The HCG will do the trick for that.
    Be sure of that, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Looks good, I wouldnt bother running the nolva until pct even if the testicles shrink. The HCG will do the trick for that.
    I have read that HCG is better used in combination with Nolva to avoid sides of HCG. Don't you agree?

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    The only thing i would change is your pct run it like this
    nolva
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    100/50/50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigman roid View Post
    The only thing i would change is your pct run it like this
    nolva
    40/20/20/20
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    100/50/50/50
    so you mean nolva 40 the first week and then 20 tho others?
    the same for clomid?

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    Stick with sig's recommendation on dosage amounts.... your cycle wasn't too heavy... I would run your post just like that and I always add aromasin and found it works best for me. You have it right with HCG during cycle. I prefer that over running it during post. you got it together here buddy. Good luck.

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    If you do use the hcg during cycle make sure you run nolv with it during cycle.

    If you do not end up using hcg during cycle then just have adex on hand.

    If you do not end up using hcg during cycle then run it pct with nolv.

    Alot of this is personal interaction with different chemicals... I personally have herpes breakouts with clomid and clomid also makes me emotional, as it does with many people...

    You are not gonna know what works for you until you experience first hand...

    Other than that Dbol to kick the cycle off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancer View Post
    If you do use the hcg during cycle make sure you run nolv with it during cycle.

    If you do not end up using hcg during cycle then just have adex on hand.

    If you do not end up using hcg during cycle then run it pct with nolv.

    Alot of this is personal interaction with different chemicals... I personally have herpes breakouts with clomid and clomid also makes me emotional, as it does with many people...

    You are not gonna know what works for you until you experience first hand...

    Other than that Dbol to kick the cycle off.
    You mean Dbol to kick the cycle on? right?
    I don't understand the "off" if you meant it.
    I knew Dbol could be taken to kick start the cycle or between cycles. Correct?

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    Yes use the dbol to kick start your cycle..

    50mgs ed..

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    Hi BJJ
    It seems asif u done your homework, if u wanna kickstart ur cycle take dianabol 40mg/50mg ed. Make sure u have ur PCT on hand for puffy nipples and or bloat, also get ur diet in check.let me know how it goes

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    I think cycle info is good until I see kick start post's

    sigman roid recommendations look good .

    Don't worry about kick starts and dianabol !

    You will do great with the test E as your strength and weight increase gradually .
    This way you will avoid injuries by increasing strength to fast and sore tendon's .

    I believe it takes 3 or 4 weeks before test E really starts to rock , But the placebo effect and gradual increase will be satisfying .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigman roid View Post
    The only thing i would change is your pct run it like this
    nolva
    40/20/20/20
    clomid
    100/50/50/50
    Everything looks good. I would just follow sig's advice on the pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    You mean Dbol to kick the cycle on? right?
    I don't understand the "off" if you meant it.
    I knew Dbol could be taken to kick start the cycle or between cycles. Correct?
    The PCT I like is as follows:
    Nolva 40/40/20/20
    Clomid 100/100/50/50

    As far as a kicker its to start your cycle because you will be using Test E (long ester) and you wont start seeing results until week 4-5 so people to kickers to start seeing results much quicker with the dbol.
    Last edited by RANA; 08-16-2009 at 04:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    You mean Dbol to kick the cycle on? right?
    I don't understand the "off" if you meant it.
    I knew Dbol could be taken to kick start the cycle or between cycles. Correct? yes
    Oral for the first four weeks does help get the cycle going but not 100% needed.

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    all advices are given... nice research...

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    Thank you all for you care and clues.
    I shall inform you as my cycle proceeds.

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