Why is IGF not used as commonly as AAS

**dd0316** · 08-14-2009, 11:00 AM

Just curious, ive been doing some reading and IGF sounds like some amazing stuff, and at the right dose, sounds like it has little side effects.

My question is that, why isnt it promoted as much as something like TEST, as if its used correctly, can yield some great results apparently. (im not saying its better than testosterone , i mean test is test...but still)

I RARELY ever see someone reccomend IGF, is there a reason behind it?
A secret about it im missing?
Someone inform me of the issues regarding it because im lost.

thanks.

**CHAP** · 08-14-2009, 11:12 AM

I believe that it has been used for a very long time .

The reason (IMO) that it is has not been so widly used is because there are no pharmacutical companys that produce it for human in pharmacutical use. So for a lonf=g time the supply was not near as high.

It is a drug that if used correctly can yeild great results

**TITANIUM** · 08-14-2009, 11:22 AM

IGF has been used mostly in trials with rats.

There has been some use in BB and in children, with growth related issues.

It can yield some great gains.

Never used it myself.

It's somewhat hard to come by.

It can be sourced.

**dd0316** · 08-14-2009, 11:50 AM

yea ive come by some
good to throw into my pct?

**Polska** · 08-14-2009, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by dd0316

yea ive come by some
good to throw into my pct?

Are you referring to rIGF-1 or LR3IGF-1 ?

**Hazard** · 08-14-2009, 06:23 PM

i ran long r3 igf-1 at 40mcg's/day on 2 occasions and didn't notice a thing - if i ever try it again.... it'll be atleast 80mcg's/day. Head into the hgh/igf forum and ask around..... you'll get better answers.

~Haz~

**Tarheel** · 08-14-2009, 06:36 PM

From what I have read, it is expensive if you can find it. But I see the point of your question....doesnt suppress natural test levels, gives great gains especially when used in conjunction with GH. seems like it would be the perfect chemical!

**Sauced_Up** · 08-14-2009, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

i ran long r3 igf-1 at 40mcg's/day on 2 occasions and didn't notice a thing - if i ever try it again.... it'll be atleast 80mcg's/day. Head into the hgh/igf forum and ask around..... you'll get better answers.

~Haz~

From my understanding of IGF, results dont show until down the road because your body has to let the new muscle cells the IGF created mature. But I could be wrong.

**Swifto** · 08-15-2009, 06:57 AM

LR3 IGF-1 is bullshit. Nohting more than a GDA.

IGF-1 is VERY hard to find but works from what research I have done on it. I know of no sources that carry IGF-1 at present.

**dd0316** · 08-15-2009, 08:24 PM

Long chain human insulin -like growth factor is the stuff i can get
your saying this stuff is bullshit?
why?
is there a difference?

Thanks

**Polska** · 08-15-2009, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by dd0316

Long chain human insulin -like growth factor is the stuff i can get
your saying this stuff is bullshit?
why?
is there a difference?

Thanks

If it's human recombinant IGF-1 it's the real deal.

**wrathchild212** · 08-16-2009, 02:24 AM

LR3 igf-1 is not bull shit..u just have to knw how to use it..here is a lil thing for u guys

"Combining GH, IGF-1 and insulin creates a powerful anabolic formula that is far greater than the sum total of its parts. The process is intricate, but in a nutshell - when GH is used with certain androgens, the net effect is an increase in the production of IGF-1. IGF-1 has an extremely powerful effect on anabolic activity. Administering exogenous IGF-1, (more is more), would then stand to further increase anabolism, right? Not exactly. The problem is, in order to get IGF-1 to do its thing it requires a binding protein (IGFBP-3) to control its activity and potency, as well as to keep the IGF-1 circulating in the blood stream. If you can't get the IGFBP-3 to work, then the IGF-1 is useless. Insulin decreases the activity of the proteolytic enzymes that destroy IGFBP-3 and keeps the IGF-1 circulating throughout the body. Without IGFBP-3, IGF-1 disappears from circulation in about five minutes. Insulin can maintain IGFBP-3 for 12 hours or more "

**wrathchild212** · 08-16-2009, 02:25 AM

so there you go..even if u find the original igf-1 ther is no use of it..ive went through the same mistake myself..i use to shoot 40mcg/d..then raised it up to 80..didnt feel a thing..and i couldnt believe tht my source is not legit..after lots of research..i found the way to do it..i didnt try it yet..though insulin scares the shit outta me..but i told this thing to one of my trainers..he started juicing all 3 hormones..and he got freakky results..AND I MEAN FREAKKYYY!!!

**wharton** · 08-16-2009, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

i ran long r3 igf-1 at 40mcg's/day on 2 occasions and didn't notice a thing - if i ever try it again.... it'll be atleast 80mcg's/day. Head into the hgh/igf forum and ask around..... you'll get better answers.

~Haz~

I've ran it at 30-60mcg/day on several occasions and got great results and awesome pumps, change your source.

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-16-2009, 03:22 AM

the reason more people dont run igf is because it doesnt work. simple as that. as far as i can find, theres no scientific literature on effects of exogenous igf-1 administration at supraphysiological levels. so basically its only as good as subjective reports of its effects- thats how we know most of what we do in a bodybuilding context for all steroids . the people have spoken and they called bullshit on this. same goes for mechano growth factor and hgh fragment 1whogivesa****-191. all bullshit scam marketing crap.

**Hazard** · 08-16-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by wharton

I've ran it at 30-60mcg/day on several occasions and got great results and awesome pumps, change your source.

I had 2 different sources and my 1st one was sigma brand..... as good as it gets.....

My father used it..... same dosage. He had 2 different sources.... one was the same as one of mine. So 3 sources total..... no effect. I don't believe the stuff works..... then again.... i havn't tried it with insulin . I'm not too inclined to go THAT far tho.....

~Haz~

**dd0316** · 08-16-2009, 10:08 AM

This is pretty confusing
Some people say this stuff works, others dont, some are showing "great results" and others arent.
I'd using Hardcore Growth's stuff (i think i can post that name)
anyone use that, so maybe i can get a more specific idea?

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-16-2009, 12:09 PM

no. no one says it works. no one says they are showing great results. thats not true at all.

**james21** · 08-16-2009, 12:19 PM

I ran some of the best ... at 40mcg... pumps where great .. thats it

**NewMuscle83** · 08-20-2009, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I had 2 different sources and my 1st one was sigma brand..... as good as it gets.....

My father used it..... same dosage. He had 2 different sources.... one was the same as one of mine. So 3 sources total..... no effect. I don't believe the stuff works..... then again.... i havn't tried it with insulin . I'm not too inclined to go THAT far tho.....

~Haz~

You and your father both cycle? Jw..sounds interesting.

**ninesecz** · 08-20-2009, 11:35 PM

I am also thinking that because it is an Insuline like substance, it could end up being dangerous if used improperly??

**Polska** · 08-21-2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by dd0316

This is pretty confusing
Some people say this stuff works, others dont, some are showing "great results" and others arent.
I'd using Hardcore Growth's stuff (i think i can post that name)
anyone use that, so maybe i can get a more specific idea?

You're using LR3 IGF-1..... NOT HUMAN recombinant IGF-1. LR3 is garbage as far as a muscle builder. Search up some threads by Pinnacle on this board. It makes for a great GDA though

**Polska** · 08-21-2009, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by dd0316

This is pretty confusing
Some people say this stuff works, others dont, some are showing "great results" and others arent.
I'd using Hardcore Growth's stuff (i think i can post that name)
anyone use that, so maybe i can get a more specific idea?

BTW I've used HCG 's stuff. Great GDA. That's it.

**BJJ** · 08-21-2009, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

LR3 IGF-1 is bullshit. Nohting more than a GDA.

IGF-1 is VERY hard to find but works from what research I have done on it. I know of no sources that carry IGF-1 at present.

I have a reliable source I bought from already.
Is what they call "human insuline" what your are talking about?
They have 1 vial (100iu/ml).

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-21-2009, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

I have a reliable source I bought from already.
Is what they call "human insuline" what your are talking about?
They have 1 vial (100iu/ml).

are you even part of the same conversation we're having or what? we arent talking insulin dude. or insuline for that matter. im glad you have a source for it lol, you can buy it over the counter in the U.S. and canada.

**BJJ** · 08-21-2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

are you even part of the same conversation we're having or what? we arent talking insulin dude. or insuline for that matter. im glad you have a source for it lol, you can buy it over the counter in the U.S. and canada.

Sorry to bother.

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-21-2009, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Sorry to bother.

i love you

**Hazard** · 08-21-2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by 48volts

You and your father both cycle? Jw..sounds interesting.

Yep i've got a cool pops..... lol - see his pic in the members pic area

~Haz~

**dd0316** · 08-22-2009, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Polska

BTW I've used HCG's stuff. Great GDA. That's it.

whats a GDA

**CHAP** · 08-22-2009, 09:52 PM

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread.

I have considered trying this but will not be now. At least for years down the road.

**workin_hard** · 08-23-2009, 12:42 AM

i dont know if people are getting fake sources or using it wrong but it seems like theres an overwhelming opinion that its useless . ive tried it but not been impressed but two other people in my life very close to me have used it and swear by it 50mcg a day

if you reconstitute it with bacteriostatic water it will be damaged and useless i wonder if some people do that and think its fake?

**Polska** · 08-23-2009, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by workin_hard

i dont know if people are getting fake sources or using it wrong but it seems like theres an overwhelming opinion that its useless . ive tried it but not been impressed but two other people in my life very close to me have used it and swear by it 50mcg a day

Read this thread: PINNACLE..im calling you out...opps

**Polska** · 08-23-2009, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by dd0316

whats a GDA

Glucose disposal agent

**workin_hard** · 08-23-2009, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Polska

Read this thread: PINNACLE..im calling you out...opps

thanks but still that doesnt really cover why people think it does work i dont think its all mental. one of my training buddies got on it for tendon injuries and his pain went away in a week which i know is a completely different story than growing muscle i was just saying.

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 08-31-2009, 06:29 PM

to me igf is a money making gimmick numerous runs from different suppliers did nothing.

**Polska** · 09-01-2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by workin_hard

thanks but still that doesnt really cover why people think it does work i dont think its all mental. one of my training buddies got on it for tendon injuries and his pain went away in a week which i know is a completely different story than growing muscle i was just saying.

It does have some regenerative properties on tendons ligaments and joints as demostrated on mice in vitro. Totally difference from hyperplasia / muscle cell splitting as was claimed. It definitely has some advantages (the reason why I still use it from time to time). It is still the best GDA I've used

**dd0316** · 09-01-2009, 02:47 PM

Whats the benefit of a GDA?
Im not familiar with this.

**Swifto** · 09-01-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by dd0316

Whats the benefit of a GDA?
Im not familiar with this.

Shuttles nutrients into the muscle.

Similar to insulin .

For the money, IGF-1 LR3 is garbage. You could get the same, or better, results with insulin or other cheaper GDA's, like Metformin.

**dd0316** · 09-01-2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Shuttles nutrients into the muscle.

Similar to insulin .

For the money, IGF-1 LR3 is garbage. You could get the same, or better, results with insulin or other cheaper GDA's, like Metformin.

The only thing i worry about with insulin is going into a coma!
haha
i dont think i will be using it until im atleast 30 and weigh 230lbs of lean mass.

**Swifto** · 09-01-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by dd0316

The only thing i worry about with insulin is going into a coma!
haha
i dont think i will be using it until im atleast 30 and weigh 230lbs of lean mass.

Same here.