clen = heart attack

**slb32688** · 08-14-2009, 09:37 PM

im a 28 year old male I done one cycle of clen no problems off cycled for two weeks swicthed brands of clen first dose gave me a heart attack.
My questions is what would have caused it

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-14-2009, 09:39 PM

literal heart attack?

**slb32688** · 08-14-2009, 09:41 PM

yes they said it was like a cocaine heart attack

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-14-2009, 09:42 PM

well how the **** much did you take? maybe it wasn't dosed right?

**Phate** · 08-14-2009, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by slb32688

im a 28 year old male I done one cycle of clen no problems off cycled for two weeks swicthed brands of clen first dose gave me a heart attack.
My questions is what would have caused it

we need more info,

any history of high blood pressure?

anxiety?

hypertension?

sensitive to stimulants?

how much did you use?

did you switch from ugl to pharm grade?

**slb32688** · 08-14-2009, 09:43 PM

120 msg

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-14-2009, 09:43 PM

that's pretty damn high....did you pyramid up to that?

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-14-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

we need more info,

any history of high blood pressure?

anxiety?

hypertension?

sensitive to stimulants?

how much did you use?

did you switch from ugl to pharm grade?

isn't that the same thing mr. phate?

**Phate** · 08-14-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

isn't that the same thing mr. phate?

yeah, but alot of people think they are different and some docs will tell someone they are hypertensive or they have high blood pressure but not both(they pick the term they like the best), i'm just covering bases, lol

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-14-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

yeah, but alot of people think they are different and some docs will tell someone they are hypertensive or they have high blood pressure but not both(they pick the term they like the best), i'm just covering bases, lol

i figured that actually lol

**ted666** · 08-14-2009, 09:47 PM

sorry to hear that ! thats ****** up way to find out something!!!!

**slb32688** · 08-14-2009, 09:48 PM

no no history of anything i used 120 msg and no both were research chem
grade

**slb32688** · 08-14-2009, 09:50 PM

when i went off the first cycle i was at 200msg

**Phate** · 08-14-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

i figured that actually lol

lol, here it's not as much of a problem but some of the other forums i'm on i swear it's like 6th grade show and tell, i have to explain EVERYTHING

Originally Posted by slb32688

no no history of anything i used 120 msg and no both were research chem
grade

when you get 25 post pm me the companies, i think you might have gotten overdosed product

**slb32688** · 08-14-2009, 09:53 PM

thats what i was wandering

**hankdiesel** · 08-14-2009, 10:14 PM

Did you take 120mcg at once your first day back from the two week off period?

**lotsoftime** · 08-14-2009, 10:59 PM

During 2 weeks my max is 200(NEVER OVER) and at the end no side... two weeks off and easily back at 20 and crazy sides. Jumping back into a big dose... would be over the top.

Lesson learned the hard way

**got fina?** · 08-14-2009, 11:17 PM

Wooooooow bro sorry to hear that!!!!

I think the most important thing about Clen is to ALWAYS start low and work your way up.

Again, im really sorry to hear that and hope all is well.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-15-2009, 12:05 AM

You've got balls going back on the stuff. I'd be scared to go near them for quite a long time if I had a heart attack.

Is there any permanent damage to your heart or are you brand new?

**aldemoro** · 08-15-2009, 02:37 AM

i have finished my 2 weeks cycle and i got high temperatur aroun 38 and cant sleep i have pain in my foot its like blood is not reaching my legs. And i have direa

**sfour_tay** · 08-15-2009, 06:32 AM

Get off it then. Not worth it bro. Every one reacts different. I had a big scare the other night where it took me 3 hours to catch my breath after going at it with the old lady. I'm off it now and don't plan on using anything but pharm grade ever again.

**slb32688** · 08-15-2009, 07:22 AM

i have no plans of ever using it again the doctor said it would cause another one. i guess i will have to relay totally on diet now

**slb32688** · 08-15-2009, 07:26 AM

(phate) the last i used was from a big mean cat

**IM708** · 08-15-2009, 07:31 AM

What is your weight/height?

How long have you been doing intense exercise before using clen ?

How long have you been doing regular bouts of cardio?

Previous medical issues we should know about (the ones phate was inquiring about)?

**BJJ** · 08-15-2009, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by aldemoro

i have finished my 2 weeks cycle and i got high temperatur aroun 38 and cant sleep i have pain in my foot its like blood is not reaching my legs. And i have direa

What do you mean "i have direa?.
Perhaps diarrhoea?

**BJJ** · 08-15-2009, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by slb32688

im a 28 year old male I done one cycle of clen no problems off cycled for two weeks swicthed brands of clen first dose gave me a heart attack.
My questions is what would have caused it

I am sorry to read that.
I was planning to use it also on my first pct.
I read that the best thing is to start with 20mcg goig up slowly like the following:
20/40/40/60/60/80/80/100 till the end of 2W.
Furthermore, I noticed that first time users should not go over 100mcg and experienced ones no more than 160mcg ED and also that clen takes literally away taurine from the heart so a supplementation of 2 or 3 gr ED is necessary.

How did you take it exactly?

**slb32688** · 08-15-2009, 07:58 AM

i have been doing cadio for about a mouth before i started. at the rat of 2 to 4 times awee. and had no known medical problems before this

**slb32688** · 08-15-2009, 08:01 AM

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

**BJJ** · 08-15-2009, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by slb32688

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

I have no direct experience yet but from what I researched I believe you started to high.

**Dancer** · 08-15-2009, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by slb32688

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

How long?

**IM708** · 08-15-2009, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by slb32688

i have been doing cadio for about a mouth before i started. at the rat of 2 to 4 times awee. and had no known medical problems before this

Height and Weight?

**RuhlFreak55** · 08-15-2009, 08:55 AM

i've never gone above 120mcg and that was INTENSE

**Dancer** · 08-15-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden708

Height and Weight?

I am gonna take a stab at this in the dark and say:

1) The OP took enough time off to clear his receptors

2) The OP is most liklt above 12%

3) The combination of above base line bf% along with high dosage of clen wasa contibuting factor to cardiac arrest

**Phate** · 08-15-2009, 10:38 AM

how would high bf% increase risks(assuming he's not obese)

beta adrenoreceptors are only found in brown adipose, not white adipose if i'm not mistaken

**Dancer** · 08-15-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

how would high bf% increase risks(assuming he's not obese)

beta adrenoreceptors are only found in brown adipose, not white adipose if i'm not mistaken

The higher the bf% the greater risk for cardiac problems, there is an helll let me go find the stude be back in an hour...

per extra percentage of bf% the greater the risk....

**Dancer** · 08-15-2009, 10:47 AM

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/n...-heart-disease

<<< that one but not the one i recall from 2004....

I'll keep looking

**Phate** · 08-15-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dancer

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/n...-heart-disease

<<< that one but not the one i recall from 2004....

I'll keep looking

i realize about cytokines, but when they say overweight they are referring to 20+% bf, 12-15% in the medical community(to my knowledge at least) is considered lean

**Dancer** · 08-15-2009, 10:59 AM

Misleading...

obese is said gto be above 20% bf%

over weight is above the base line gov. guildlines

Although once you click on over weight on wedmd you get a redirect to obese for some reason.

But to the best of my understanding over weight and obese and different.

Coupled with a beta 2 antag at higher dosages you are gonna have some issues.

**Phate** · 08-15-2009, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Dancer

Misleading...

obese is said gto be above 20% bf%

over weight is above the base line gov. guildlines

Although once you click on over weight on wedmd you get a redirect to obese for some reason.

But to the best of my understanding over weight and obese and different.

Coupled with a beta 2 antag at higher dosages you are gonna have some issues.

i can agree with that, lol, i'm betting on wayy overdosed product

**IM708** · 08-15-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

i can agree with that, lol, i'm betting on wayy overdosed product

I'm going to refer to the op as saddlebags until he answers my simple request.

1) I am going to assume that saddlebags is indeed obese when he was taking this product and that is definitely a big no no when it comes to stimulants.

2). He hasn't been doing enough cardio over a long enough period of time to get his body accustomed to the added stress of a higher heart rate let alone any stimulant.

3). His dosing protocol was wayyyyy out of wack. I would never go about 100-120 let alone 200 mcg.

IMO, I don't beleive it's that there is any quality control issue with the product, that would be the easy way out for saddlebags to blame the product instead of himself. To my knowledge there is a wall you hit with clen that even if you take more and more of it, it won't have any added effect since it has already saturated the bodies receptors.