Help with possible first cycle decision!!!**(teenager)

[stevey_6t9]

Well to start off i've been training for the best part of 4 years and been contemplating on taking my first cycle of AAS. I want to do as much research and gain as much knowledge as possible before even doing a cycle, and would like some opinions. Before i got flamed here i know i am young, and if i decide to take AAS it will be in the next year or two. If anyone would care to comment on my diet below or proposed cycle please feel free.

Age: 18
Weight: 185
Height: 5'9
BF%: 12

Diet:
meal 1) 2 scoops whey protein isolate, cup of oats, multi, fish oil, vit C and E and Zinc
meal 2) 250g chicken and cup of rice
meal 3 150g chicken half cup of rice and salad
meal 4) 250 lean red meat one cup of vegetables
meal 5) 200g tuna and cup of pasta
meal 6) (post w/o) 3 scoops protein, 80g glucose, creatine, BCAA's, L-Glutamine, Banana and apple
meal 7) 2 scoops casein protein with 200mL skim milk

Proposed cycle:

Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Pct - Clomid/Nolvadex

Alot of you are going to be raging about my age, but before you make asumptions, if i decide to take the plunge i will wait till i am 19 or 20. I would also want to know peoples opinions regarding taking AAS and 'permanent' effects on the endocrine system. Id appreciate help on making a good decision, thanks.

[PistolPete33]

I'm new here and haven't started my cycle yet. However, I'm 33 years old and I've done a lot of research before taking the plunge. I applaud you for trying to do research but noone here is going to give you any advice.

You are in your prime for test production so you don't need to take AAS. Get diet tips for the next 5+ years and then look at AAS if you're not where you want to be. Taking AAS too young will cause your natural test levels to drop and cause issues in the future.

Good luck.

[Klimax]

Well to start off i've been training for the best part of 4 years and been contemplating on taking my first cycle of AAS. I want to do as much research and gain as much knowledge as possible before even doing a cycle, and would like some opinions. Before i got flamed here i know i am young, and if i decide to take AAS it will be in the next year or two. If anyone would care to comment on my diet below or proposed cycle please feel free.

Age: 18
Weight: 185
Height: 5'9
BF%: 12

Diet:
meal 1) 2 scoops whey protein isolate, cup of oats, multi, fish oil, vit C and E and Zinc
meal 2) 250g chicken and cup of rice
meal 3 150g chicken half cup of rice and salad
meal 4) 250 lean red meat one cup of vegetables
meal 5) 200g tuna and cup of pasta
meal 6) (post w/o) 3 scoops protein, 80g glucose, creatine, BCAA's, L-Glutamine, Banana and apple
meal 7) 2 scoops casein protein with 200mL skim milk

Proposed cycle:

Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Pct - Clomid/Nolvadex

Alot of you are going to be raging about my age, but before you make asumptions, if i decide to take the plunge i will wait till i am 19 or 20. I would also want to know peoples opinions regarding taking AAS and 'permanent' effects on the endocrine system. Id appreciate help on making a good decision, thanks.

If you take aas before 25yo the permanent effects on your endocrine system are very probably.

[Swifto]

Your body is aleaready producing high amounts of testosterone. You should be utilising this as best you can. Cycling at your age, or 19-20 shows no logic whatsoever.

You should wait to atleast 23-25 IMHO. Thats when endogenous testosterone levels begin to decline.

Your also 5"9 and may still be growing.

[Western Man]

Why not wait 4-5 years, get your bodyweight up to 200lbs natural with low BF and then do your proposed cycle?

[BJJ]

If you take aas before 25yo the permanent effects on your endocrine system are very probably.

TOTALLY AGREE!
Listen this advice young man.

[-Ender-]

IMO, You should keep training natural. 5'9".. wouldn't it be nice to be taller?

[alpmaster]

If you take aas before 25yo the permanent effects on your endocrine system are very probably.

Um, what? I'd like to see research behind this. You guys and you're magical numbers.


Personally, I think this kid knows what he's doing. Knows pretty well how to eat, has good natural stats, and has been training for a while. But anyway kid, keep training until you see and feel that you cannot gain anymore (without just getting fat), probably in another year or two and then think about cycling, it's not very necessary right now.

[roserose]

Why did you put **(teenager) in your title? Its not bc you know its a major issue is it?

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367187

[stevey_6t9]

well regarding my height i haven't grown for 3 years and im the tallest in my family, recent x rays have also seen completely fused growth plates. I believe my diet is optimum for myself and if i continue i may be able to reach 200lbs without too much fat gain. I'm mostly concerned about harming my endocrine system, but no studies or personal accounts can confirm this, except one owner of an online AAS company.

[niakon]

I must admit that you seem to be pretty well educated and you are concerned about your future health which is good. What you need to do is have faith in your training and diet and stick to your guns. The gains will never come as fast as you want them to but they will come.

[stevey_6t9]

Yeah i know the gains will come slowly, very slowly. But regarding my initial question, no one has come up with any proof or exeperiences about AAS permenently damaging my hormone levels.

[marcus300]

Yeah i know the gains will come slowly, very slowly. But regarding my initial question, no one has come up with any proof or exeperiences about AAS permenently damaging my hormone levels.

There is prove all over the forums, just check out the many threads were young people are asking for help because they cant get hard and feel depressed. Ive been in the business for over 20yrs and ive come across so many young guys in their 20's on HRT for life, many many bobdybuilders end up on HRT sooner than they should, reason being is because of continuly shutting down your HPTA and thats when its fully developed, what damage do you think will happen if you shut down a natural system of the body before its fully developed? serious damage and the % is high trust me, ive seen it many times, there is a huge risk its if you want to take it or not.

The syptoms of low Test are very hard to cope with, traust me ive been there and gone through it, you dont want to have these problems in your 20's it will destroy your life, my Endro told me he comes across many guys in their 30's who need HRT because of AAS use, thats at least 10 yrs younger than they should be and in some caes 15-20yrs younger, so whats the chance of damage if you start to shut down a very delicate system of hormones before its fully developed, the answer's are all over the forums not from people trying to scare you but from guys who have been there and are having problems.

[xo3et]

There is prove all over the forums, just check out the many threads were young people are asking for help because they cant get hard and feel depressed. Ive been in the business for over 20yrs and ive come across so many young guys in their 20's on HRT for life, many many bobdybuilders end up on HRT sooner than they should, reason being is because of continuly shutting down your HPTA and thats when its fully developed, what damage do you think will happen if you shut down a natural system of the body before its fully developed? serious damage and the % is high trust me, ive seen it many times, there is a huge risk its if you want to take it or not.

The syptoms of low Test are very hard to cope with, traust me ive been there and gone through it, you dont want to have these problems in your 20's it will destroy your life, my Endro told me he comes across many guys in their 30's who need HRT because of AAS use, thats at least 10 yrs younger than they should be and in some caes 15-20yrs younger, so whats the chance of damage if you start to shut down a very delicate system of hormones before its fully developed, the answer's are all over the forums not from people trying to scare you but from guys who have been there and are having problems.

Spot on post dude.

This kid will either listen or have the rest of his life regretting and a life of this from the girls

[JK-87]

there is prove all over the forums, just check out the many threads were young people are asking for help because they cant get hard and feel depressed. Ive been in the business for over 20yrs and ive come across so many young guys in their 20's on hrt for life, many many bobdybuilders end up on hrt sooner than they should, reason being is because of continuly shutting down your hpta and thats when its fully developed, what damage do you think will happen if you shut down a natural system of the body before its fully developed? Serious damage and the % is high trust me, ive seen it many times, there is a huge risk its if you want to take it or not.

The syptoms of low test are very hard to cope with, traust me ive been there and gone through it, you dont want to have these problems in your 20's it will destroy your life, my endro told me he comes across many guys in their 30's who need hrt because of aas use, thats at least 10 yrs younger than they should be and in some caes 15-20yrs younger, so whats the chance of damage if you start to shut down a very delicate system of hormones before its fully developed, the answer's are all over the forums not from people trying to scare you but from guys who have been there and are having problems.

you should make your own thread and get it locked and sticky'd. This is very usful info and i think it will put most teens off using steroids. I know a few people who could use your advice. Good post bro.

[RuhlFreak55]

Um, what? I'd like to see research behind this. You guys and you're magical numbers.


Personally, I think this kid knows what he's doing. Knows pretty well how to eat, has good natural stats, and has been training for a while. But anyway kid, keep training until you see and feel that you cannot gain anymore (without just getting fat), probably in another year or two and then think about cycling, it's not very necessary right now.

my thoughts exactly

[RuhlFreak55]

Spot on post dude.

This kid will either listen or have the rest of his life regretting and a life of this from the girls

bullshit...i started at 20 and don't have ANY issues....but i also see no problem with being on HRT the rest of my life either....bottomline is if you want to get big enough to do some damage in the bodybuilding world there is no choice....

[hankdiesel]

hrt for a lifetime sounds like an issue to me......I would wait a while. Beef up your diet some more. How about some whole eggs in the morning?

[!!!ZeuS!!!]

yeah all good advive i'd just live life mate eat eat train party leave the serious stuff untill your old enough

[RuhlFreak55]

yeah all good advive i'd just live life mate eat eat train party leave the serious stuff untill your old enough

[ninesecz]

Well to start off i've been training for the best part of 4 years and been contemplating on taking my first cycle of AAS. I want to do as much research and gain as much knowledge as possible before even doing a cycle, and would like some opinions. Before i got flamed here i know i am young, and if i decide to take AAS it will be in the next year or two. If anyone would care to comment on my diet below or proposed cycle please feel free.

Age: 18
Weight: 185
Height: 5'9
BF%: 12

Diet:
meal 1) 2 scoops whey protein isolate, cup of oats, multi, fish oil, vit C and E and Zinc
meal 2) 250g chicken and cup of riceWay too much chicken in 1 serving!
meal 3 150g chicken half cup of rice and salad
meal 4) 250 lean red meat one cup of vegetabAGain,TooMuchProtein
meal 5) 200g tuna and cup of pasta
meal 6) (post w/o) 3 scoops protein, 80g glucose, creatine, BCAA's, L-Glutamine, Banana and apple
meal 7) 2 scoops casein protein with 200mL skim milk

Proposed cycle:

Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Pct - Clomid/Nolvadex

Alot of you are going to be raging about my age, but before you make asumptions, if i decide to take the plunge i will wait till i am 19 or 20. I would also want to know peoples opinions regarding taking AAS and 'permanent' effects on the endocrine system. Id appreciate help on making a good decision, thanks.

I am not as worried about your age as you do not have your dioet in good shape yet! 250g of chicken?? that is like 16oz of chicken and at least 100grams or more of protein your body does not need anywhere close to that much in 1 meal and to be honest, it is horrible to put that much strain on you internals each meal! 6-10oz of lean beef or chicken per meal is sufficient anything more is just a waste. On top of it you are not getting a blanaced amount of nutrition with each mel! this is the stuf that needs to be fied before you get on any type of cycle and when you do you will see even better natural gains than you should be seeing now!

Also these other guys are right. you are producing an extreme amount of testosterone right no and will until you are like 22. Even at 400-500mg Ew on a cycle, your body is making close to the equivilent of 1/2 that on its own. Not eactly 1/2 on a Mg to mg basis but with the higher amounts of Aminos and the other stuff going on during your Teenage growth spurts, you would really be hurting yourself more than helping in the long run! Let your muscles grow and mature natuarlly the way it was intended to! might see good gains from it now but what about in 5 years when your test production is close to nothing and the reason is because you did a cycle too young? you will honestly really end up hating yourself cause of it. not to mention the problesm with the "Little Captain" you may cause

[The Deuce]

DEFINITELY NOT TOO MUCH PROTEIN MAN... I consume 1lb of chicken per meal sometimes... that's like double that if I am not mistaken...

I just don't like when people point out that.. IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO EAT THAT MUCH CHICKEN... If anything it will aid you...


I'd love to break it down for you real quick.... but I won't...


Maybe at HIS AGE and at HIS WEIGHT... yes MAYBE... MAYBE a little bit excessive.. BUT NOT IF HE IS TRYING TO GAIN !!! How do expect someone to consume 5000cals in a day without kicking up the PROTEIN consumption to about that.... Ive done the math...

His Diet is BARELY over 3000 cals.. NOT A LOT MAN...

My diet is at 4000cals right now.. AND I AM NOT GAINING A lot of weight.. SOME but.. my weight on the scale isn't changing.. the BODYFAT IS GOING DOWN and the LEAN MUSCLE is going UP without the SCALE moving.. which I am not going to complain...

I have actually thought of kicking it up another 500cals a day...

[stevey_6t9]

Ninesecz, yeah I know I do eat alot of protein but its what works for me, I've experimented with different protein amounts but everyones different. Also you mention im not getting enough balanced nutrition? I can't see the logic in that claim. I do eat vegetables and salad and supplement with a multi for any deficiencies. And i can't see myself being on HRT for the rest of my life for one test 12 week cycle. I personally know five people who have taken AAS during their teenage years and have NO problems.

[stevey_6t9]

And btw ninesecz 250 grams in only 8-9 ounces. not 16 mate.

[BJJ]

DEFINITELY NOT TOO MUCH PROTEIN MAN... I consume 1lb of chicken per meal sometimes... that's like double that if I am not mistaken...

I just don't like when people point out that.. IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO EAT THAT MUCH CHICKEN... If anything it will aid you...


I'd love to break it down for you real quick.... but I won't...


Maybe at HIS AGE and at HIS WEIGHT... yes MAYBE... MAYBE a little bit excessive.. BUT NOT IF HE IS TRYING TO GAIN !!! How do expect someone to consume 5000cals in a day without kicking up the PROTEIN consumption to about that.... Ive done the math...

His Diet is BARELY over 3000 cals.. NOT A LOT MAN...

My diet is at 4000cals right now.. AND I AM NOT GAINING A lot of weight.. SOME but.. my weight on the scale isn't changing.. the BODYFAT IS GOING DOWN and the LEAN MUSCLE is going UP without the SCALE moving.. which I am not going to complain...

I have actually thought of kicking it up another 500cals a day...

"I consume 1lb of chicken per meal sometimes..."

I believe you mistook. 1 lbs of chicken is about 2.2 kgs, 79.2 oz!!!!!!!!
What's your stats man: perhaps 7' feet, 500 lbs?
I believe you wanted to mean something else.

[stevey_6t9]

BJJ 1lb is 450 grams not 2.2 kgs. Cant anyone convert here?

[Undercover]

Yeah 1 kg = 2.2lbs not the other way around.

Plus, ninesecz was right when he said it was too much protein in one serving. How do you expect your body to absorb all of that?

To stevey: What are you bodybuilding goals? Are you looking to compete anytime soon? If I were you, I'd play it safe (stay natural) no matter what my goals are. But seriously, if you're just aiming to look better and not go professionally with this DONT DO IT.

[jason bourne]

DIET DIET DIET and Training your in your prime for natty test production and that would suck to screw it up so early in life man your to young but train hard and eat right and you WILL see gains

[BJJ]

BJJ 1lb is 450 grams not 2.2 kgs. Cant anyone convert here?

You are right man, sorry a person like me CANNOT make such a mistake.
I believe I was drunk or too tired.
I apologize indeed.

[beachboygemini]

I just wish that I could, eat a full pound of chicken, in 1 meal. You should know that 1 pound, is equal to 16 ounces, unless your from the uk or something. Is the USA the only country currently using pounds as measuring increments? Hope not. Oh, and kid, yeah you the 18 year old who wants to juice. Its nothing personal, they treat me the same way and I am 34. I think it has to do with not only concern, but also jealousy, because you are at a point in your life, that we all have at least some fond memories of. And the reason they told me not to even consider roids are that I wanted to do anavar and turinabol together. I got the idea, on another forum. The other forum members, seemed to think it was a good idea for the most part. A good way to feel better about your gains, would be to measure and weigh less frequently. Maybe you could get bloodwork done and see just how much test is actually running through those 18 year old veins. NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE

[Berserker88]

I recommend you do this cycle - its will by far yeild the best results to get huge later in life

Week 1-300 Really good healthy strict diet
Week 1-300 Train hard

Then comeback and ask

[Dancer]

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[NS]

"I consume 1lb of chicken per meal sometimes..."

I believe you mistook. 1 lbs of chicken is about 2.2 kgs, 79.2 oz!!!!!!!!
What's your stats man: perhaps 7' feet, 500 lbs?
I believe you wanted to mean something else.

BJJ 1lb is 450 grams not 2.2 kgs. Cant anyone convert here?

I can convert. It is the other way around.

1 kg is the equivalent of 2.2lbs, there are 16oz in a lb.

[NS]

I eat 500 grams or 1.1 lbs of chicken most times.

I personally think that is too much and I plan to change that to two meals of half a lb seperated by about 2.5 hours.

The only reason I haven't done that so far is laziness.

[Dancer]

Brain development in the young adolescence adult male needs regular test.

lets say you do cycle and you get off and even do a great PCT.

At 18 when your free test levels are 800+ what happens for the next few months of PCT?

free test levels drop to ~200~ range

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum


Another issue is the introduction of estrogen to the male adolescence brain, you are still developing and sexual diff happens with the sex hormones. The introduction of estrogen by the female body makes women into women and ergo test makes men, men.
What happens when you are on pct and using clomid? How about the ones of you that have bad estrogen issues even when you use an AI?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

These data suggest that GM <gray matter> development in certain brain regions is associated with sexual maturation and that pubertal hormones might have organizational effects on the developing human brain.

[stevey_6t9]

thanks for the advice and support

[POPS]

DIET DIET DIET and Training your in your prime for natty test production and that would suck to screw it up so early in life man your to young but train hard and eat right and you WILL see gains

^^ X 2 here bro!

[rtgrs]

your too young man wait a few years

[Bojangles69]

Whether 18, 19, or 20 those are all too young.

The problem is you've never juiced before so you've prob built steroids up in your head as some magical end all solution to putting on mass.
If you really wanna cycle, go ahead, I personally could care less what kinda shit you run into 10-15 years down the road. Your health is your own responsibility and noone elses.

But the point is, with repercussions aside, its just not neccessary. At your age if you're not able to put on muscle fast enough you don't compensate by taking steroids, you compensate by fixing your diet and workout regime.

And its not always about a specific number. Its about years of experience. Its amazing when I look back at how many of my friends were "serious into bodybuilding" when they were 18, 19, etc and use to tell people "I've been lifting since I was 14 or 15."

PLEASE, what a joke, the real issue is you have no experience. NOT JUST WITH STEROIDS which you have 0 experience, but at that age you also have VERY LITTE experience with natural bodybuilding.
How the hell do you know when you turn 19 you're not gonna meet some chick, fatten up grow content and never lift another weight again. It happens A LOT. All my friends were "serious" with lifting at your age, and about 90% of them are fat lazy bastards today.
At your age there is no way you have natural bodybuilding down never mind bodybuilding with steroids. Its not always about safety as much as it just is common sense sometimes. Look how young you are, do you have any idea where you'll be 2 years from now? Things are always changing and change quick at that age. I just think if you can dedicate yourself through these next few years, which ultimately are the hardest years of your life (young adulthood) BUT if you can still stick to a proper routine, then yeh maybe then give juice a shot.