Why is it that no one around me has pct?

**vaders4** · 08-16-2009, 05:51 PM

Before I type anything...

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A SOURCE.

Ok that being said - I'll continue.

It seems that about 90% of everyone I talk to either

1. has no PCT knowledge
2. knows about PCT and claims "I don't need that, never did it and I'm fine",
3. has NO connect to get PCT gear, but can get TONS of other gear.

I really don't understand it - is the non-internet world just THAT uneducated?

Are the pushers here so greedy that they don't sell PCT so they can keep pushing gear??

Anyone else have this issue in their area?

**C-MaN** · 08-16-2009, 05:54 PM

people try to make as much money as they possibly can. And they do not care about you or your wellfare usually. Click on the banner in the top right corner. www.ar-r.com

**vaders4** · 08-16-2009, 05:56 PM

I'm totally aware of ar-r .com - I've never done a cycle and I'm not doing one right now.

I just find it kind of funny that 75% of the guys I talk to about juice have no god damn clue how to run this stuff, or even what PCT is. When I try to educate them they look at me like I'm an idiot because I'm obviously not running a cycle.

Oh well, when I do cycle at least I'll keep my gains, if I even do run a cycle - my goal weight is only 205.

**CMonkey** · 08-16-2009, 05:59 PM

I would have to go with uneducated dolts. Some people are absolute morons when it comes to this stuff. I know a guy that wants to a do a dbol /winnie only cycle no pct, tried talking him out of, but he is hellbent on doing it. It is going to be funny when he loses everything and his weiny doesn't work anymore.

It is so easy to find and research all aspects of this stuff nowadays. I just don't understand what these morons are thinking.

**vaders4** · 08-16-2009, 06:03 PM

I guess that's what it must be. Anyway, this site is a godsend, really. I've learned SO much from lurking/posting here over the past year - it's unreal.

**Hazard** · 08-16-2009, 06:11 PM

They're living life for NOW...... they only want to run the "Fun" stuff. Steroids can change your appearance..... but the tards who don't believe in pct don't understand the importance of it..... they don't run it because they can't "see" what it's doing for them.....

~Haz~

**Dancer** · 08-16-2009, 06:14 PM

ignorance

**CMonkey** · 08-16-2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

They're living life for NOW...... they only want to run the "Fun" stuff. Steroids can change your appearance..... but the tards who don't believe in pct don't understand the importance of it..... they don't run it because they can't "see" what it's doing for them.....

~Haz~

Well stated

**BIGJOL** · 08-16-2009, 06:22 PM

let them suffer lol

**Ashop** · 08-16-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

Before I type anything...

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A SOURCE.

Ok that being said - I'll continue.

It seems that about 90% of everyone I talk to either

1. has no PCT knowledge
2. knows about PCT and claims "I don't need that, never did it and I'm fine",
3. has NO connect to get PCT gear, but can get TONS of other gear.

I really don't understand it - is the non-internet world just THAT uneducated?

Are the pushers here so greedy that they don't sell PCT so they can keep pushing gear??

Anyone else have this issue in their area?

Most of the products you need for PCT are EASILY found,,,just look around

A good solid PCT we have used with our athletes with great success looks like this. 3 weeks:
CLOMID 100mg wk1, 50mg wk2, 50mg wk3 (DAILY)
NOLVA 40mg wk1, 30mg wk2, 20mg wk3 (DAILY)

**gunslinger2** · 08-16-2009, 08:03 PM

It is funny how no one even heard of PCT until just a few years ago. Some of the old timers at my gym used to do test/deca /dbol cycles for months on end and never took anything after. They all did it that way back in the day and very few had problems.

Don't misunderstand, I think PCT is very important, but at the same time it is sometimes over done. There are people I know right now who spent more on their PCT than on their gear. I think the need for massive amounts of PCT has been overstated about as much as the "steroids are bad for you" media bullshit.

If you can't recover with some basic PCT such as Nolva/Clomid/HCG and maybe an AI on hand just in case, maybe you should lower the dose of the gear you are on, or not take steroids at all.

Also understand that 99.9% of the guys you will talk with about gear at the gym have no clue. They only know what the dealer tells them and dealers don't make much on PCT products.

As an example of this I have talked with at least 4 guys at my gym who were "ON" and they are telling me about taking 250 mg of test E per week and or 3 dbols per day. Yeah you read right, 15 mg of dbol per day. They are so scared of sides they wont even do a decent cycle.

**ninesecz** · 08-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Everyone is an expert when they are doing it! Of course they do not want to be told that what they are doing is wrong! it will hurt their self esteem! Ask those same people what thir diet is composed of.? I bet you a higher pecentage than those who have no knowledge of PCT are eating a horrible diet while on and will still tell you that they are stuffing themselves and bla bla bla!

***t-gunz*** · 08-16-2009, 10:43 PM

guys in australia have no idea. with PCT i tell them about it and there like na i'm good. so yeah . there prob when they get massive and loose their gains

**CaliPhotog** · 08-17-2009, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

Everyone is an expert when they are doing it! Of course they do not want to be told that what they are doing is wrong! it will hurt their self esteem! Ask those same people what thir diet is composed of.? I bet you a higher pecentage than those who have no knowledge of PCT are eating a horrible diet while on and will still tell you that they are stuffing themselves and bla bla bla!

I know!!!! It is INSANE to me how many people overlook diet, proper training and rest and think that steroids are going to be the magic bullet. They don't take the time to research and they take advice from anybody that is willing to tell them ONLY what they want to hear.

**brad1986** · 08-17-2009, 04:51 PM

Amen fellas. Just happened. My friend was on and i told him about pct and what he needed to do. I stressed the importance and he just blew me off. One week later he was back to the same wiehgt and didnt want to go to gym anymore. haha i havnt stoped giving him shit about it

**Berserker88** · 08-17-2009, 07:25 PM

Its the same here in Sydney, for me anyway - every source i find has plenty of gear but no PCT. Its really bad...

**bermyshotta** · 08-17-2009, 10:12 PM

Never took any,but this time i def will try.

**JuicedCobra** · 08-18-2009, 03:29 PM

I having this exact problem right now. My friend is the source and he told me a whack ass way of running the gear. I ran into major sides, not enough sust, had to stop taking tren all together. Thank god for this site and all the help I have got here. He still hasn't come through with clomid, nolvadex , or arimidex for me. And only a 19 year old kid that I know is the only guy who had some Test E to hook me up with and actually knows WTF he's doing with PCT!!?? He's using research chems because he didn't have a source for the tabs from overseas.

So around here 19 year old kids on juice know more than "veteren" juicers! And PCT is way harder to come by than any kind of Test. Can you believe that??

**banthar** · 08-18-2009, 05:53 PM

The guy that got me into steriods has never ran PCT. Told me that you did not need it when i asked. He has been on like a 5yr cycle just canges back and forth from a bulk cycle to cut cycle. Just glad i took it on myself to learn about what i was doing.

**doublefister** · 08-18-2009, 09:49 PM

I have also noticed people around here know nothing about pct and the ones who do dont use it and the ones who should have it dont carry it or have access to it. Last person I talked to about it got his glands removed so he could care less.

**gunslinger2** · 08-18-2009, 10:27 PM

I see two extremes here. The people who don't even know what PCT is and the people who over do it. I mean come on, Nolva at 80 mg and clomid at 200-300 mg and HCG and adex? WTF. All for a 10 week test cycle.

**lovbyts** · 08-18-2009, 10:54 PM

Many people who have ran gear for years or the old timers will SAY they dont have any problems but how many are going to tell you they are sterile, they have ED or they have other health issues that they just dont know are related to the cycles and no PCT.

How many of your friends tell you hey I cant get it up anymore? LOL

**gunslinger2** · 08-27-2009, 07:52 AM

Actually with the exception of one guy, all the old timers I know who never did PCT are just fine. The one guy took lots of other meds as well, so that may have been a factor. As for ED, most guys have that issue at some point after their 30's. seeing as how some of these guys are in their late 40's and 50's we can't really blame the cycles they did 15 to 20 years ago for their ED now can we?