Not so impressed with my cycle. Week 5.

[JuicedCobra]

1st cycle, I'm taking Sustanon 250, 500mg a week. Twice a week injections. I was on Tren for the 1st to weeks (I know I was a dumbass) got some great advice here and got off that stuff.

I'm 6'4" 26yrs old 220lbs with low BF%.

Anyhow, I've been on 500mg Sust for 5 weeks now. My diet is on point, I've been bodybuilding 11 years, I'm at 5000 calories a day. 300 grams of protein, 1.5g per pound.

Initially I gained 10 pounds in the first week. Some was obviously water. I've gained some vascularity, a bit of strength, but nothing impressive and definitely no one knows I'm on. The scale shows I'm only up 12 pounds here at week 5.

My nipples are hard as hell and there is minor puffyness in that area (gyno?) not sure so I'm on 20mg nolvadex a day till I get an AI. I started to get back acne week 4 and 5 here. Libido is down to. Testes shrunk up considerably.

What could have screwed up my gains? This is reliable pharmaceutical grade juice from Europe, from a reliable source, by the way.

I ran out of the sust and now I've switched to Test E. We'll see if I can make something happen here in the next 5 weeks!?

[sizerp]

Sounds like you need an AI ASAP.

[vaders4]

I would think with sust your libido would be up??

Also, you only had 5 weeks of sust, and once you ran out you switched to test e? Test e takes 4-5 weeks to 'kick in'.. no???

Doesn't sound like you've got this one planned out too well..(started cycle with not enough sust, and no AI?)

Also 1.5g per pound @ 220 is 330g of protein a day and at 5000 calories I find it hard to believe your BF is THAT low? Obviously you're bulking, most of the time you can expect a rise in BF.. I went from about 10-11% BF to about 14-15% BF..

Can you post your diet please?

Grab yourself the proper PCT and hope for the best? Good luck

[Vitruvian-Man]

I would think with sust your libido would be up??

Also, you only had 5 weeks of sust, and once you ran out you switched to test e? Test e takes 4-5 weeks to 'kick in'.. no???

His sex drive should be up.

And NO, he will not have to wait 5 weeks for the Test-E to kick in. The Sustanon is a blend of tests, and has long-estered testosterone in it... therefore a high-test concentration is already built up in his blood-steam.

By switching to test-E now he should continue to see quality gains for the next 5 weeks.. (and waaaay less painful injections )

[Papa Smurf]

OK.............. Your up 12 lbs in 5 weeks on a very basic first cycle? What were your goals for this cycle? Center stage? Not gonna happen!

I,d take 12 good pounds from the entire cycle and be happy!

Hope you planned you PCT better than your supply of test for this cycle.

[Mooseman33]

agreed Papa.

also, you are just hitting the growing stage bro, between weeks 6 and 10 you will see a dramatic change. its good that u switched test as sus needs to be shot more often then twice a week.
stay on schedule, keep diet and traing in check and u will grow..

[romo6]

I bet his estrogen is high,that can mess with sex drive,you need a AI nolvadex is a serm it will not lower estrogen in the blood it will definitely help tho with the gyno.Good luck.

[starboots]

When I took test-e I didn't really see any real gains till week 5 or 6. I gained 5-6 lbs the first couple weeks, some of it being water and maybe some muscle from the change in protein intake. I am not sure what to say about your libido, mine was really up about week 4 but didnt notice it every being down at any point, just normal or higher. Hope you get it all figured out.

[Darksyde]

so let me get this straight. youve gained 12 pounds in 5 weeks, but your cycle isnt working.. just what did you expect?

[c-Z]

I guess he wanted 20 lbs in 3 weeks. Hell people are loosing 10-15lbs in under a month why cant we gain it? HAHA

[gymnerd]

sounds like your estro is high get an ai and I would start the nolva till it got there then drop the nolva.

[JuicedCobra]

I would think with sust your libido would be up??

Doesn't sound like you've got this one planned out too well..(started cycle with not enough sust, and no AI?)

Also 1.5g per pound @ 220 is 330g of protein a day find it hard to believe your BF is THAT low? Obviously you're bulking, most of the time you can expect a rise in BF.. I went from about 10-11% BF to about 14-15% BF..

-Libido was way up previously to week 5.

-You're right. I took some bad advice from some fellow bodybuilders. Initial research was steroid profiles which doesn't cover dosage like here on the forums.

-I was 10% BF at the start of the cycle. So I base my protein on on 200lbs of lean bodymass.

-I work a somewhat laborious job that keeps my calorie expenditure on the high side. I've calculated this into my diet plan.

I have not retested my bodyfat. Only going by pinch and the mirror.

[JuicedCobra]

OK.............. Your up 12 lbs in 5 weeks on a very basic first cycle? What were your goals for this cycle? Center stage? Not gonna happen!

I,d take 12 good pounds from the entire cycle and be happy!

Hope you planned you PCT better than your supply of test for this cycle.

- I'm just confused by the initial 10lbs in one week and then only two pounds in the next 4!?! That's my concern.

- Yes, took some poor advice and should have done more research on PCT. I'm waiting to get some stuff from overseas (AI, SERMs) but I am ordering the research chems just in case my source doesn't come through. He has been unreliable.

[gymnerd]

- I'm just confused by the initial 10lbs in one week and then only two pounds in the next 4!?! That's my concern.

- Yes, took some poor advice and should have done more research on PCT. I'm waiting to get some stuff from overseas (AI, SERMs) but I am ordering the research chems just in case my source doesn't come through. He has been unreliable.

It was just all the water retention initially. Just keep it up at the end the results will be there I bet.

[JuicedCobra]

sounds like your estro is high get an ai and I would start the nolva till it got there then drop the nolva.

Thanks. Swifto helped me on this over in the PCT section. I'm on track but the AI isn't here so I'm ordering a research chem AI because I need this stuff now.

[gymnerd]

Thanks. Swifto helped me on this over in the PCT section. I'm on track but the AI isn't here so I'm ordering a research chem AI because I need this stuff now.

What did he suggest just curious?

[wukillabee]

Sounds like you need an AI ASAP.

I agree. You're obviously gyno prone so u have all kinds of estro in ur body right now along with test. I believe the excess estro is killing ur sex drive until u can get it under control. 7 days of nolva at 20mg ed should bring u up to par and get rid of your gyno symptoms. Then once they subside, id run the nolva at 20mg eod rest of cycle.
Ur up 12lbs in 5 weeks and complaining, wtf? Thats just above average imo! Sure maybe 10 of those 12lbs is water but still, thats a decent amount this early on a long ester test bro. Im sure ur gear is legit, u seem to have ur diet straight, after 11yrs in the gym i hope you would know what ur doin by now, so just let everything go to work bro. Its really what u gain past week 5 is what ur gonna keep anyways so who cares about what youve gained up to this point? Also, that tren for the first few weeks probably messed up ur libido and what not too, bad start but glad u fixed it. Keep ur head up, use nolva til u get an ai like arimidex or aromasin, youll have a happy cycle bro. Run it a good 12 weeks!

[gunslinger2]

so let me get this straight. youve gained 12 pounds in 5 weeks, but your cycle isnt working.. just what did you expect?

Exactly what I was thinking. Most people don't gain that much in a year without AAS and even with them 12-15 lbs for a 10-12 week cycle is not bad.

[ninesecz]

where are your other 3800 calories a day coming from?? if you eat 300 grams of protein a day that is 1200 calories 3800 calories a day from fats and carbs is a lot of calories if you eat 300grams of cars a day also, that is 2600 calories a day from fa. that would be close to 300grams of fat a day! even if you had 600g a day in carbs that still leaves 1400 calories a day from fats which still leaves 150+ grams of fat a day! So how exactly are your calories split up??

[tboney]

His sex drive should be up.

And NO, he will not have to wait 5 weeks for the Test-E to kick in. The Sustanon is a blend of tests, and has long-estered testosterone in it... therefore a high-test concentration is already built up in his blood-steam.

By switching to test-E now he should continue to see quality gains for the next 5 weeks.. (and waaaay less painful injections )

????? Yea we know what sust is?? and No, his sex drive is probably down due to estrogen.

[jkproperties]

12lb in 5 weeks sounds good to me

[tboney]

12lb in 5 weeks sounds good to me

I agree!

[gunslinger2]

Gotta love it. I struggle to gain 10 solid pounds of muscle in a year and this guy is pissed because he "only" gained 12 in a little over a month.

[JuicedCobra]

Gotta love it. I struggle to gain 10 solid pounds of muscle in a year and this guy is pissed because he "only" gained 12 in a little over a month.

Hey I hear you bro. But listen here. I can bloat 8 pounds in a week just by cycling back onto creatine monohydrate and carb and protein loading. So the first week I started my bulking diet as well as the juice and after 7 days I was up 10lbs. I have hovered basically at that weight ever since.

Yes I'm inexperienced with AAS and the general census seems to be that the real growing time is post week 5. So that definitely puts things in perspective.

You know as well as I that 10lbs was water, etc. week one, not muscle. Only going up 2lbs since would mean if I came off now I'd only gained 2lbs of lean bodymass.

So you can see why I threw the question out there. I'm not a complete idiot.

[gunslinger2]

I would make sure diet is on point.