If you can get it..... I personally would run it. It's not going to kill you if you don't run it but it does make recovery easier.....
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how would i use it as i can only get it by around week 7-8?
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Good read. I will never cycle without hcg or AI ever again.
Hi,
Finished a 7 week cycle 3 weeks ago.
Is it to late to start HCG as testes still shrunk?
Using Nolva 20mg for PCT for last 2 week
So if your in a 12week cycle, then you starts your first shot of hcg at week4. do you take it throughout your cycle for 8weeks? i heard some people say they wont run it longer than 4weeks.
What about a 6-8 week cycle of Prop? HCG really needed?
What about running HMG in combination with HCG for a couple weeks?... Or in place of HCG altogether? Why isn't this discussed more?
If you start the HCG from week 4 - 15, When do you start the AI. Is it week 1 or the same time you start the HCG.
And do you finish the AI at end of cycle or carry on till pct?
Thanks guys
You can probably get away with not using it, but it will maintain testicular size and function when shutdown so it wont hurt at all. If you can get it, use it.
I actually dont know an awful lot about HMG. Other than it mimics FSH, which is primarily for sperm prodction in the testes.
I'm looking into HMG at present.
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great read man..ur posts are the best bro, please keep the info coming....
The Tamox and Clomid will bring them back, although it maybe a short while.
HCG will also bring them back sooner, becuase it directly stimulates the testes. If the SERMs dont bring back testicular size/volume after 5-6 weeks, use some HCG or HMG. Then back on the SERMs.
it was mentioned to take hcg during cycle with ai.
does hcg or ai effect gains while on test at all?
i thought ia did which is why people take it only if needed.
If you can get away with not using one, dont. Some use AI's and are fine. Meaning their gains are only marginally reduced. I think the benifit of running an AI outweigh the negatives, for me anyway.
Others tend to use SERMs or DHT-derivatives to counter estrogenic sides.
so could i just take hcg during my cycle of test without other ai's?
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Great thread!!!
I am trying to find some hcg for my upcoming cycle with not much success...
Is there any alternatives I could try to find that might replace the hcg???
maybe i should rephrase my question.
for the specific side effect of ball shrinkage hcg is good alone correct?
How exactly is HCG shot? Is it IM like the test or otherwise? I am 9 wks in a test cyp cycle. I wasn't planning on using HCG, but think I want to use along with Nolva and aromasin in PCT. So what size pins will I need?
Test cycle is 500mg/wk for 14wks
Sub-Q... my mom shoots this shit... if she can do it, anyone can.
It would not be wiser for a novice on his first cycle to avoid putting to many drugs throughout the cycle?
Might be your advices more effectives to those who already have a direct experience and know the way their bodies go through?
I mean I could run a 10W cycle with Test 500mg EW (2 shots) and in the last 2W using HCG 500iu ED + Nolva 20mg ED. Then 2W rest and start the PCT with Nolva, Clomid and an AI on hand.
What would you do if you were me?
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
man i just finsh my cut cycle from 1 week it was 12 weeks cycle ..so can i start taking hcg or it too late .. thankss all
That protocol would work and should bring the testes back, yes.
Although I think (next time you cycle) using it throughout at a low dose is best. That way testicular dysfunction can be avoided.
I dont think its a question of using the least amount of drugs for someone conducting their first cycle. You want to be able to bounce back successfully and using HCG or HMG during your cycle is the most effective protocol.
Just thought I'd share something on HMG -
This is a post by Pp.
"HCG is not really lh - leutenizing hormone - , it mimicks lh - leutenizing hormone - but it has a much longer half life of about 3-4 DAYS. Because of its longer half life it tends to quickly reduce the testes sensitivity because it ‘lingers’ in the system for so long. The lh - leutenizing hormone - that your body produces naturally has a half life of only about an hour, and is released in hourly bursts throughout the day.
HMG is generally only considered for fertility, but it actually is pretty awesome for PCT - post cycle therapy - . The only downside is the price, since you need 1 amp TWO to THREE times a day for the maximum effect, and this can get quite expensive. But since its bio-identical to the body’s natural gonadotropins it is highly effective to stimulating testosterone production. Plus is has the added synergy of FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , which increases the testes sensitivity to lh - leutenizing hormone - , thus allowing the testes to produce more testosterone.
-Pp"
I have only one problem with that? while your are HPT is supress by roids, you cant restore the negative feed back, as long as there is roids on your blood stream, that saying, your wont be able to produce endogenous test, but keep your testes alive... If so, then can we assume that we can just run a mono Deca cycle without test and just use HCG??? If the HCG is able to keep endogenous test production while on cycle, then it should work...
by the way, the study only says that it was able to mantain ITT, not serum T.
I'm aware what the study states. I stated it maintain endogenous T from correspondance with Dr.Crisler via PM's over at PM.com.
Although the HP is "shutdown" from androgens the leydig cells are still stimulated directly via HCG administration.
In theory, yes, you could run a Deca cycle with HCG. But to run an effective dose of testosterone (with it if you will) you'de need to use fairly large amounts of HCG and risk desensitisation. You would also raise estrogen and progesterone a fair bit, via aromotase and direct production from the testes.
There is no logic in running Deca/HCG anyhow. Running a testosterone preperation would be more cost effective, provide more stable androgen levels and not risk desensitisation.