HCG - How important is it?

[chrisdc]

i tried to look at your page 3 times..i cant figuire it out ...lets say mine is 10000ius and i mix with 3 ml back water..then 1ml=333 iu's...and i take .15..SO I AM TAKING ABOUT 500 A DAY...THAT SOUND CORRECT...

NOW I KNOW WHY THEY FORCE YOU TO LEARN ALL THAT STUPID MATH IN SCHOOL YOU WILL NEVER USE IN REAL LIFE...INCASE YOU ARE GONNA USE GEAR..HAHAHA

[fattywarbucks]

Question:

Assuming 12 weeks of test e @ 250mg 2xs/wk
1-12 wks enth,14-18 wks pct

Running 250ius hcg 2xs/week
Weeks 4-14
With .25mg e3d Ldex wks 1-14
Would this be a good run?

Also, dumb question?
Hcg is shot IM, right?

Why is this thread not sticky?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Swifto (or anyone who can answer),

I am about to buy 5000iu of pregnyl hcg and planning on using 250iu 2 times per week. If I wanted to combine it with the test and deca I am currently running, how many CC should I draw to get 250iu?

OR is it better to inject sub-Q with a slin pin?

[eddiea6987]

Is HCG really easy to get? because i have found a website online who has it rather cheap , i just dont have any background knowledge of weather this stuff will actually be allowed into the U.S and if it as cheap as like 18 for an amp of 1000ius...
because i know if i go to the losers who get me my gear alll they know is Test they have no idea what PCT is , they are probably just middle men trying to make a buck.
but anyways yeah any info if HCG is really not a hassle to get ...?

[eddiea6987]

hmmmmm ok. dammit now i dont if i should buy this stuff and risk getting screwed

[Swifto]

Its not that easy to obtain, no.

PM me your source and I'll see if I can help mate.

[Jaakoppi]

How should I use my 5000iu HCG ? I'm on short (6weeks) test e with Methanox 20-30MG/ed. I haven't started HCG because I've heard that you can start HCG IN THE SAME WEEK YOU HIT THE LAST TEST SHOT. I'm going to hit my last Test in next week.

[Swifto]

How should I use my 5000iu HCG? I'm on short (6weeks) test e with Methanox 20-30MG/ed. I haven't started HCG because I've heard that you can start HCG IN THE SAME WEEK YOU HIT THE LAST TEST SHOT. I'm going to hit my last Test in next week.

Well, you missed the boat in regards to using HCG how I outline in this thread - to prevent testicular dysfunction.

But all is not lost. You can use HCG the final 10-14 days leading to PCT (whether your on exo. Test or not) to kickstart the testes. 250-500ius/ED with an AI is my suggestion. Then conduct PCT with SERM(s).

[Jaakoppi]

Ok that's good to know. Thanks for information.

[Indian Muscle]

I tried injecting HCG in the stomach fat and soon as the pin was in few drops of blood started flowing, is it normal or am i doing something wrong?

[Swifto]

I tried injecting HCG in the stomach fat and soon as the pin was in few drops of blood started flowing, is it normal or am i doing something wrong?

No, I dont usually get any blood in the barrell. But I guess it can happen.

[Yellow]

What do you think about HCG usage for long cycle, swifto?
Because I'm now in the middle of week 9 of my 20 weeks slingshot cycle.
I am using it for week 2-20 (300iu twice per week).
Does it make any lh desensitization or leydig cells damage? (due to prolonged use of hcg)

I read somewhere in the primordial performance's hcg article that it shouldn't be used for too long. If someone do a cycle for more than 12 weeks i.e 20 weeks, then hcg usage should be stopped for 2 weeks after 10 weeks mark then we can use it again. Does it necessary to do?

Many thanks

[CoolStroybro]

I don't understand. If HCG comes in 1500 and 5000 iu amps. Why do I have to mix it with water? Can't I go to a pharmacist and tell him to inject me with 250 iu of this shiit ??

[Swifto]

What do you think about HCG usage for long cycle, swifto?
Because I'm now in the middle of week 9 of my 20 weeks slingshot cycle.
I am using it for week 2-20 (300iu twice per week).
Does it make any lh desensitization or leydig cells damage? (due to prolonged use of hcg)

I read somewhere in the primordial performance's hcg article that it shouldn't be used for too long. If someone do a cycle for more than 12 weeks i.e 20 weeks, then hcg usage should be stopped for 2 weeks after 10 weeks mark then we can use it again. Does it necessary to do?

Many thanks

Yes, thats right.

If you wish to use it for extended peroids take a break every 9-10 weeks of 2-3 weeks.

[CoolStroybro]

I don't understand. If HCG comes in 1500 and 5000 iu amps. Why do I have to mix it with water? Can't I go to a pharmacist and tell him to inject me with 250 iu of this shiit ??

Please can someone help? I don't know how to get back water. Cant I inject 250 iu directly ,let the pharmacist measure it? Or am I wrong?

[mediumpimpin]

The HCG will come in 1500-5000iu amps but in a concentrated form. You must add Bac Water to dilute it and make it possible to measure precisely.

[mediumpimpin]

Swifto, Is 300mg Primo weekly enough to counter estrogen effects while on a light cycle incl. HCG ? Could more Primo be ran to counter it if not enough or arimidex unquestionably needed.

[Swifto]

Swifto, Is 300mg Primo weekly enough to counter estrogen effects while on a light cycle incl. HCG? Could more Primo be ran to counter it if not enough or arimidex unquestionably needed.

Primo wont do anything for estrogenic sides, do you mean Proviron ?

Primo doesnt aromotase or lower estrogen.

[BGC123]

Swifto, just to clarify if i take 250iu 2x/wk should i be taking 20mg tamox ED? and if i take tamox should I still use an AI?/ Amazing post btw!

[fattywarbucks]

SWIFTO?

For a standard first cycle of 10-12 wks of test E @ 500/wk

Is 250ius, 2x/wk with .25mg Ldex 2x/wk good?
And what weeks would this be run?
4 to 14, right before pct starts?
Or is 10 weeks too much

Thanks in advance.

[Swifto]

Swifto, just to clarify if i take 250iu 2x/wk should i be taking 20mg tamox ED? and if i take tamox should I still use an AI?/ Amazing post btw!

No, just control estrogen with an AI as usual.

SWIFTO?

For a standard first cycle of 10-12 wks of test E @ 500/wk

Is 250ius, 2x/wk with .25mg Ldex 2x/wk good?
And what weeks would this be run?
4 to 14, right before pct starts?
Or is 10 weeks too much

Thanks in advance.

For 10-12 weeks from start to finish. Or week 2 till the week proir to PCT or up until PCT. It doesnt matter greatly.

If you suffer and dont bounce back too well. Ramp the HCG to 250-500ius for 5-7 days leading to PCT to really give your testes a kick. Thats what I did last cycle.

[Swifto]

Hey Swifto,

I'm 3wks into my 10wk testE cycle. I'm running hcg 500iu/wk. I'm getting signs of gyno. I've been running Ldex @ .25mg Ed, and even recently bumped it up to .50mg Ed. Should I up the dose on the Ldex or add Nolva at this point? Maybe cut back on the hcg? Please help...

Whats your age?

How much Testosterone are you using?

Dont combine Adex/Ldex with Tamox. Thats exactly why I use and have clients use Aromasin now. Those 1st gen AI's are outdated now IMHO.

[fattywarbucks]

No, just control estrogen with an AI as usual.



For 10-12 weeks from start to finish. Or week 2 till the week proir to PCT or up until PCT. It doesnt matter greatly.

If you suffer and dont bounce back too well. Ramp the HCG to 250-500ius for 5-7 days leading to PCT to really give your testes a kick. Thats what I did last cycle.

Thanks.

Ill run it wk 2 to pct start with stane instead of ldex

[tronics]

hey swifto, im finally using hcg for the first time(should have many times), i just got it in but im past half way through my cycle. what would you do in this situation, run it last 3 weeks to pct? at 250iu a day? does that sound right...thanks bro

[Swifto]

33, 600mg/wk test e (just finished wk3), 40mg dbol (1wk left).

Up your Ldex dose to 0.5mg/ED and see how you get on with that. Perhaps even 1mg/ED for one day, then 0.5mg/ED. Thats a fair bit of estrogen from Test/Dbol /HCG IMHO.

Lower your HCG to 250ius 2x week.

Let me know...

[Swifto]

hey swifto, im finally using hcg for the first time(should have many times), i just got it in but im past half way through my cycle. what would you do in this situation, run it last 3 weeks to pct? at 250iu a day? does that sound right...thanks bro

How long do you have left?

You can do 2 things here:

1. Use a large inital dose now half way through. Something like 500ius 3x week for one week, then 250ius 2x week until 1 week proir to PCT.

2. Wait and use 250-500ius/ED for the final 14 days leading to PCT. Then begin PCT (SERMs).

Always control estrogen too.

[Swifto]

Wow.

Almost 10,000 views!

Puts a f*ck off smile on my face, great.

[fig]

Hey Swifto...I got two 5000ui amps. Each came with 1ml Solvent. I'm going to use bac water but was wondering if I have to use the solvent as some kind of activator? Not sure why else they'd include 1ml amps, wouldn't be enough for 5000ui's.

[bjpennnn]

yes this thread should prob be a sticky

[Big]

yes this thread should prob be a sticky

yeah but if I make it a sticky the n00bs won't read it lol

[bjpennnn]

hahaha good point huh. its sad i have sticky notes all over my desktop of all the important threads to spam at newbs. we should make people pass a multiple choice test or something to become members ha.

[Swifto]

Hey Swifto...I got two 5000ui amps. Each came with 1ml Solvent. I'm going to use bac water but was wondering if I have to use the solvent as some kind of activator? Not sure why else they'd include 1ml amps, wouldn't be enough for 5000ui's.

The solvents are similar to bac water. There usually some sort of bac water with BA in or something similar. I use the solvents and 9ml bac water usually.

Good question though.

yeah but if I make it a sticky the n00bs won't read it lol

Very true.

[fig]

The solvents are similar to bac water. There usually some sort of bac water with BA in or something similar. I use the solvents and 9ml bac water usually.

Good question though.



Very true.

Thanks again Swifto!

[PK-V]

So how does inhibition differ from full HPTA shutdown is it the duration that inhibition is in effect that will eventually result in HPTA shutdown?



Is the use of hCG recommended for the whole duration of cycle+PCT?

If not, why?

say 1-8 weeks of test

+4 weeks of PCT (nolva)

in total 12 weeks

so 250iu of eod for 12 weeks?

[CoolStroybro]

I am trying to buy some HCG online. The brand is called "highly purified HCG by "NOVAREL"

Is it different from this Pregnyl everyone is talking about??

[bjpennnn]

cool story bro

[Swifto]

So how does inhibition differ from full HPTA shutdown is it the duration that inhibition is in effect that will eventually result in HPTA shutdown?

Complete shutdown is harder to recover from. When inhibited, endo. LH, FSH and T will still be in production when using AAS.

Is the use of hCG recommended for the whole duration of cycle+PCT?

Not PCT. Only during.

If not, why?

Its not needed as HCG will maintain endo. test production when using androgens that cause total shutdown of endo. androgens in a normal setting. We want to use HCG to maintain testiculas size/function.

say 1-8 weeks of test

+4 weeks of PCT (nolva)

in total 12 weeks

so 250iu of eod for 12 weeks?

250ius 2x week will usually suffice. If your older, 3x week.

bolds

I am trying to buy some HCG online. The brand is called "highly purified HCG by "NOVAREL"

Is it different from this Pregnyl everyone is talking about??

Its a generic HCG. Never used it. Only used Pregnyl. Thats not to say the generic doesnt work though.

[gettingthere]

bolds

Its a generic HCG. Never used it. Only used Pregnyl. Thats not to say the generic doesnt work though.

Hey swifto just wondering if you could help me out a bit here!! just wondering my friend is running a sust 250 cycle and is planning on running HCG every day at the end for 3 or 4weeks, do you think the guy needs more pct?

His sust doasges are 500mg a week, 2 injections
He's running Dbol 5mg ED for 4 weeks at start
Then the hcg

What do you think?

[bjpennnn]

ya he needs to run this
Day 1-18: Clomid @ 100 mgs
Day 1-18: Nolva @ 40 mgs
Day 18-36: Clomid @ 50 mgs
Day 18-36: Nolva @ 20 mgs

running hcg everyday for 3-4 weeks is a bad idea

[gettingthere]

ya he needs to run this
Day 1-18: Clomid @ 100 mgs
Day 1-18: Nolva @ 40 mgs
Day 18-36: Clomid @ 50 mgs
Day 18-36: Nolva @ 20 mgs

running hcg everyday for 3-4 weeks is a bad idea

Is this during the cycle or at the end of the cycle days?

What sort of dosages would you run hcg at?