test E dbol and win ???

[Alou]

age 22
weight 185lbs
bf 11%


test E 500mg/w, week 1-10
dbol 50mg/w, week 1-7
win 50mg/w, week 3-10

pct:
nolvadex 2x20mg/day, week 12-14
nolvadex 20mg/day, week 15-16
with hcg



got a good diet from a nutrition guy that cost me too much only thing im scared is to over train a bit but i splited my training in one mucsle in the moring and one at night which takes about 45min each training and takes sunday off . does this look clean ? ok i know im young but ... i want to know if this is okay ? not if i have the age :P

[RangersLTW]

Too young in my opinion
dbol 1-4/30-40mg ed
winn 4-10/50mg ed

pct
nolva 40/20/20/20
clom 100/50/50/50
adex if needed

[ninesecz]

I am guessing this is your 1st cycle? You do not need D-bol and Winny... Test alone would be well suited for a 1st cycle adding d-bol is OK.... You do not need to run d-bol for 7 weeks, that is too long 4 weeks.... 6 weeks is absolutely maximum (not needed in your case.) Winny aslo on top of it is going to be very hard on your liver and Kidneys taking them both at the same time! You should not even need it if your diet is in check as you say it will be.
I also think people are worrying to much about HCG and again in your case, I do not think you will need it. I would say Nolva alone is not nough and yu need to get some Clomid, but I dont think I would worry about getting and spending all the money on the HCG

[Alou]

ok i was told to use hcg instead of clomid and i use milk thristle for liver protection and i still dont get why i should use clomid instead of hcg ?

[RangersLTW]

I don't see anything wrong with what I stated agreed that is to much for first cycle.....if you do decide to do the winn then go with my post and take some milk thistle at the end....but again no need to take winn.....if you want to do a cut cycle then why not do
Test p 50mg ed 1-10
winn 5omg ed 4-10

[RangersLTW]

takes about four weeks thats why most do the kickstart

[ninesecz]

ok i was told to use hcg instead of clomid and i use milk thristle for liver protection and i still dont get why i should use clomid instead of hcg ?

HCG and clomid actually do different things... For a normal beginner cycle like you are running most would never need HCG. Clomid and Nolva will most always be enough to take care of you. most do not get into HCG until they start doing more compounds and "stacking" cause they get shut down way harder and need the HCG to get things back. With a cycle like you are going to run it is not violent enough IMO to need HCG. If yu want to send the money on it and pin yourself then by all means go ahead

[swol_je]

For a first cycle you should never stack numerous compounds. You will never know what works best for you if you do that.

If I where you I would go straight Test E at about 500-600 for 10 weeks and save the other stuff for a later time.

[Alou]

ok it because the guy im getting the stuff from he cant have clomid so he sells hcg but thx from letting me know ill try to find some from some oen else

[swol_je]

HCG and clomid actually do different things... For a normal beginner cycle like you are running most would never need HCG. Clomid and Nolva will most always be enough to take care of you. most do not get into HCG until they start doing more compounds and "stacking" cause they get shut down way harder and need the HCG to get things back. With a cycle like you are going to run it is not violent enough IMO to need HCG. If yu want to send the money on it and pin yourself then by all means go ahead

X2.... Spot on.