Basic Bulk Deca and Test

[Slayer of Souls]

Stats:

Weight: 205 ( Went up to 225 on my last cycle cut down to 205)
Height: 5'8"

Training Style: Powerlifting, plan to switch to DC training to get some good size from the cycle

Diet: Clean Bulk 5,000 calories from food sources

Previous Cycle:
1) Test 500 mg/week -12 and dbol 4 weeks 30mg/ed. PCT: Nolvadex
2) Test 750mg/week, deca 500 mg/week, and dbol 30mg ed for 4 weeks. PCT Clomid.

Cycle Goals: My plan to to gain some clean quality and lean muscle mass. No issue packing on some fat, but I want to keep this one relativly lean

I propose

1-12 weeks 750mg of Test E (Injected 250 Monday - Wed- Fri)
1-11 weeks 400mg Deca (Monday- Friday)
1-4 weeks 30mg / ed Dbol
1-12 Weeks .25mg Adex


Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva. Not sure if I need HCG for a short cycle.

Changed to Deca, because I wasnt sure of the EQ source.

I have enough test to run at 750, should I do that or just go simple with 500mg.
Is thi the right dosage for a-dex?

[hankdiesel]

I'd increase the deca dose slightly since you ran it higher last time. I'd throw the hcg in the last few weeks of the cycle and a week into pct. Deca shuts me down hard. You don't need 100mg of clomid thw whole pct, just the first two weeks at most.

[Slayer of Souls]

Type thats my pct.

PCT I will probably do 40/40/20/20 of nolva dex. I didnt get shut down from deca last time, I can get HCG otc here. So I can add it in, no issue.



So should I keep test 500mg or 750mg?

[thai-lan]

nolva only pct isnt enough , and im sorry i didnt see your age and no of cycles under your belt

[hankdiesel]

test is cool at either dose....if you bump up the deca you shouldn't need much more test

[Vitruvian-Man]

nolva only pct isnt enough , and im sorry i didnt see your age and no of cycles under your belt

Maybe if you learnt how to read, you would realize he clearly stated previous cycle experience.

1-15 weeks 600mg of Test E
1-13 weeks 500mg Deca (Monday- Friday)
1-4 weeks 100mg anadrol
1-15 Weeks .25mg Adex

^^ Slayer, I think this would be a much better 3rd cycle. IMO, people don't do deca justice (and only run it for 10 weeks), but since it's such a long-ester attached, I find you can still get quality gains for 12 - 13 weeks off deca.

You could consider changing the d-bol for another oral (since you've already run it)... perhaps try anadrol as a kickstart for the first 4 weeks @ 75 - 100mg ED.

Just some ideas, take what you want from it.

[Slayer of Souls]

Cheers guys. I am 23.

I think I will keep the test at 750 then bring it down once the deca starts kicking in. Sound good?

Deca is mad expensive here. I already have my hands on the dbol , deca, test and a-dex.

Nolva, Clomid and HCG here are all OTC. I want to keep my PCT as simple as possible, there are too many different methods for PCT and I am lost. If you could point me in the right direction for reading I would be greatful






Any suggestions for PCT then?

[Aizen Sosuke]

Nolvadex , clomid, and HCG would be all you need for PCT. Run the HCG since the last 2 weeks of your cycle all the way through first week of PCT dosed at 250-500iu EOD. Nolva go 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50. That should take care of it. Good luck with the cycle and keep an ai in hand for that heavy test dose.

[Slayer of Souls]

Agreed, Its fine to take nolva for pct with a Test and Deca stack?

[Papa Smurf]

You may also want to keep some caber or bromo on hand as well. Prolactin can build up with any 19 nor, and cause ED problems.

Just my .02 cents



Oh.......... why are you shoting Test E 3 days a week? just curious





Good luck with cycle!

Papa

[Slayer of Souls]

Amps come in 250, wanted to hit around 750 this cycle per week. Thought it might be a good idea to spread it out even.

Could you please expand on the caber and bromo point please

[Vitruvian-Man]

Could you please expand on the caber and bromo point please

Tren / Deca = 19-nor compounds. Essentially, it creates a buildup of prolactin. Bromo / Caber are dopamine antagonists, which aid in reversing this.

I stick with bromo... it's WAAAY cheaper then Caber, and just as effective IMO.

[Slayer of Souls]

1-12 weeks 750mg of Test E (Injected 250 Monday - Wed- Fri)
1-11 weeks 400mg Deca (Monday- Friday)
1-4 weeks 30mg / ed Dbol
4-14 weeks HCG 250iu 250 iu 3x a week
1-12 Weeks .25mg Adex


14 Clomid: 100 day (1 week) 50/day (3 weeks)


Question: Test E, 2x a week at 500 a week or Test E 3x a week at 750 a week.

Is the dosage right with HCG?

What are the signs to tell me to use bromo?

[ninesecz]

doing 750mg a week for the 1st... say 6 weeks would kind of just work as a loading phase in some aspects... I do not think you need to run it that high for the entire cycle with only having ran 2 cycles before.. but you know your body better than anyone!

[Slayer of Souls]

doing 750mg a week for the 1st... say 6 weeks would kind of just work as a loading phase in some aspects... I do not think you need to run it that high for the entire cycle with only having ran 2 cycles before.. but you know your body better than anyone!

Thats what I was thinking. First 4 weeks can be at 750 thereafter 500.

Does the pct sound fine as well as hcg dosing

[Ronnie Rowland]

Run the adex eod instead of ed and you will make better gains.

[Aizen Sosuke]

The HCG dose is fine just a bit early but that's up to you. I personally like to start it more towards the end of the cycle. I don't see nolva in your PCT?

[Slayer of Souls]

Run the adex eod instead of ed and you will make better gains.

.25 eod or .5eod?


When should I start my PCT

I already have Nolvadex on hand for pct.

Could you please suggest a hcg protocol? Some say take it in the start of the cycle some say at the end. Please point me towards some clear reading towards this matter

[Aizen Sosuke]

A-dex at .5 EOD. PCT starts 10-14 days after last test shot. As far as HCG goes there are so many ways people use it , but I'll give you what worked for me. The last 2 weeks of the cycle I start taking it at 500iu EOD, then for 3 more weeks at 250iu EOD, that way it runs through the first week of PCT. This way I even made some gains through PCT and recovered quick as hell, no crash or anything.

[Slayer of Souls]

Got it

Is it fine then to inject every 2.5 days the test e for the first 4 weeks?

[Slayer of Souls]

Weds Friday Sund - Test E (Week 1-5)
Wed Sun - Deca (Week 1-11)

[leviathan_sos]

First Week: Noticing a fuller physique already, love the Dbol . Just going with 20mg, tempted to bump up to 30mg.

Gradually bringing up my diet to more and more cals.